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Pleasantville get a Tanker automatically for all structural/brush fire calls in our non-hydrant areas. Pleasantville and Thornwood work together on the SMP in certain areas. Don't quote me but I believe NB between Marble Avenue and Grant Street is Thorwood FD full response with Pleasantville Rescue 47. Anything at the Marble Avenue Entrance/Exit is the same response as well. I believe Thorwood and Valhalla respond together to some sections of the Rosehill Shopping Center. Hawthorne and Elmsford also respond together to some locations.

Nothing against the Chief being quoted but I have never been a huge fan of this analogy, simply because when it boils down to being used for its "proper use," a class A pumper is only being optimally used when pumping. Using a class A pumper to tend to a fluid spill in a parking lot is like using a cement truck to deliver a pizza. In the post you are referring to, I put the "?" after EVOC because I was not positive if this was a state or department requirement. Come to think about it, I should have been definitive with my definition since ambulances have red/white lights and sirens and do not require EVOC.

This makes sense but it is seen in America. As you said, FD's spend money on fire prevention which is one factor to why the numbers of fires is way down, thus decreasing demand for what the FD provides. I wish there was some way to get people to have family members or friends drive themselves to the ER for the non-emergency bul***** that we all deal with frequently. It is frustrating (for a few moments) to walk up to a patient complaining of ankle pain, to find that the person has sprained ankle and several calm and collected family members or friends standing around who are very capable of driving to the ER. Or people who have had general malaise for hours and are sick of vomiting and are sitting in bed with a calm and collected spouse or family member who is very capable of driving to the ER.. Seems to me that an education program should be put in place teaches people that when you have symptoms for hours or days on end, it is not so much of an emergency that an ambulance is better than a minivan for getting you to the ER. EDIT - spelling.

I imagine that AVET and Ladder Ops will be added eventually.

Is the minimal requirement for FF1 and Survival enforced? I only ask because I joined after 1/1/06 and took FF1 and then took Survival after since my FF1 course did not include Survival. I was interior during this gap. Should I not have been? I know others that I have taken FF1 and not Survival who joined after 1/1/06 who are under the impression that they are interior. Nice post, I am looking forward to seeing the answers that you get.

Completely correct and well said. The issue is not a fire department running EMS calls, the issue is that departments are biting off more than they can chew. Clearly a fire department should not be a first response agency if they can not do so efficiently.

First off, congratulations on the save Brother! secondly, I have and am taking non of this personal and am not trying to make things personal. After all, neither FD that I am a member of at as first responders for EMS calls so I could care less about the wear and tear XYZ FIRE Department's rigs are getting from responding to EMS calls. With that said... The fire department may have very well be created with the sole intent of extinguishing fires, saving lives and protecting property from fire...I was not at that meeting. since you brought up your departments run numbers, I will continue with them, and I mean nothing against your department. How many of your departments almost 800 calls per year are a "proper fire response?" How many of these alarms are wires down with no fire? MVA's with no fire? Public assist calls with no fire? It is safe to say that the majority of runs that EVERY department responds to are not relating to "fire."

This is a completely different issue that to be honest was not what I thought this thread was discussing. Like you, I also do not understand the combo rig and having an Engine be completely tied up for a taxi ride. I was under the impression that we were discussing departments that send CFR's to EMS calls in an apparatus to assist a the EMS providers. This means they are not tied up with transporting.

I think that this is the key, it depends solely on the department.

$0.00.

I completely understand your point but, lets think realistically. Do departments that also are CFR recognized have just CFR members? YES. If the departments gets "a fire call," then the CFR's are not at all necessary in the FD response. Do departments have more than 5 members? YES. If the department gets "a fire call" then there should be other "firefighters" to handle the call. Is this always realistic? Maybe not. If this is the case, yes they can respond back to the station or to the scene if other apparatus will respond as well. Question: If your department is on a fire alarm with an Engine and a mutual aid request is made for your department to send a Ladder, Tower Ladder or Rescue to a scene of an incident, what do you do? You go to the station and switch equipment or other personnel fill out the request. Does your department run as a CFR agency? Neither of mine do but...if yours do, how many times per year do you get a "fire call" while on a CFR call? I don't know the answer but I can assume not many. If you do get one, and are tied up on a CFR run so be it...a call is a call. The CFR run came in first, that patient needs you. I'm a member of a VAC and an FD If I am out on a VAC call and a fire call comes in, I do not leave the VAC call...

FIRE Departments should not help people/patients?

Potentially more drivers as well...don 't need pump ops. EVOC?

Several FD's in northern NY that run as First Responder's too EMS calls utilize, like you said, utilities, light rescues, brush trucks, etc whatever the unit designation may be. Seems to be a smart choice.

Would make for a nice Rehab Unit.

Old news. It will be interesting to here how it develops after the long hiatus.

Had a gas call last night. There was no need to evacuate houses or anything but we did make a drill out of the call while we waited for Con Ed. I have a questions. What is the best way to notify/evacuate residence at night? If you knock on a wood door you should not be at a risk for ignition...but what happens when a door is knocked on at night??? The homeowners turn on lights to make their way to the door. We could call them but they would need to answer their phone. We could use the PA system on the rig but I do not know ho effective this would be especially is staging is a ways from some house. A bullhorn could be used but could also a be a source of ignition. What's the safest bet?

Date: 1-16-2012 Time: 17:22 Location: 67-67 152nd Street Frequency: Queens Dispatch Units Operating: (See rundown below) Weather Conditions: Cold Description Of Incident: Engine 315 arrived on scene and transmitted the 10-75 for a fire in a 2-story peaked roof 60x50 O/M/D. Ladder 125 arrived on scene shortly after and transmitted the 2nd alarm for heavy fire on the #2 floor. Extension to exposure #3 & #4. Operations went exterior on the original fire building. Primary searches delayed due to heavy fire conditions. 3rd alarm transmitted for relief purposes, no special units or Chiefs. Reports of 2 firefighter injured, unknown conditions. 9 total injuries treated by FDNY EMS. Primary and secondary earches complete and negative thru out. Fire placed U/C by Division 13 @ 18:16. Writer: PFDRes47cue Exposures: #1 - Street #2 - Court yard #3 - Similar attached #4 - Similar attached Box Assignment: Engine 315, 299, 205 Ladder 125, 151 Battalion 50 10-75 Assignment: Engine 273 Ladder 129 (FAST) Rescue 4 Squad 288 Battalion 52 Division 13 2nd Alarm Assignment: Engine 274, 320, 298, 289, 324 w/ Sat 4 Tower Ladder 127, 138 Battalion 46 (Safety Officer, 51 (RUL) Rescue Battalion Safety Battalion Fieldcom 1 Tactical Support Unit 2 Command tactical Unit Car 11 S/C Additional Chief: Battalion 54 S/C Additional Truck: Ladder 167 3rd Alarm Assignment: Engine 303, 294, 306, 319 Tower Ladder 138 Relocations: E313/E271 L158/L127 L173/L151 E293/E315 E295/E320 B38/B51 E303/E305 E218/E287 E21/E260 B18/B? E316/E307 E286/E293 B3/B51

Fire still doubtful?

Date: 1-15-2012 Time: 01:22 Location: 1066 decatur Street Frequency: Brooklyn Dispatch Units Operating: (See rundown below) Weather Conditions: Cold, dry Description Of Incident: Companies received an alarm for an unknown type fire and received multiple addresses. Battalion 37 was updated that this may be a car fire. Companies investigated and found a fire in a 3-story frame 20x40 P/D. 3rd alarm transmitted by Division 15 for extension to exposure and in between buildings. One (1) 10-45 Code 1(Deceased), One (1) 10-45 Code 2, Two (2) 10-45 Code 3's, Four (4) 10-45 Code 4's. Fire placed U/C by Car 4C @ 02:45. Writer: PFDRes47cue Exposures: #1 - Street #2 - 3-story brick OMD #3 - Yard #4 - Similar attached Box Alarm Assignment: Engine 233, 222 Squad 252 Ladder 176, 112 Battalion 37 10-75 Assignment: Engine 277 Tower Ladder 120 (FAST) Rescue 2 Squad 1 Battalion 44 Division 15 S/C Extra Engine & Truck: Engine 227 Tower Ladder 124 2nd Alarm Assignment: Engine 332, 231, 218, 207 w/ Sat 6 Ladder 175 Battalion 28 (Safety), 38 (RUL) Rescue Battalion Safety Battalion Field Comm 1 Tactical Support Unit 1 Command Tactical Unit Car 4C 3rd Alarm Assignment: Engine 271, 214, 217, 234 Tower Ladder 111 Ladder 123 Battalion 35, 57 (Staging), 58 (Air Re-Con Chief) Mask Service Unit 1

Date: 1-14-2012 Time: 23:31 Location: 2250 Brigham Street Frequency: Brooklyn Dispatch Units Operating: (See rundown below) Weather Conditions: Cold, dry Description Of Incident: Companies received an alarm for a fire in apartment 3B in a 6-story brick 100x200 OMD Apartment Complex. Fire contained to the original apartment. Primary and secondary searches of the fire apartment, hallways, and floors above the fire complete and negative thru out. One (1) 10-45 no code, and seven (7) 10-45 Code 4's (Green Tag). 10-41 transmitted. Fire placed U/C @ 00:31 by Car 4C. Writer: PFDRes47cue Exposures: #1 - Walkway #2 - Yard #3 - Yard #4 - Street Box Alarm Assignment: Engine 321, 254, 246 Ladder 153, 169 Battalion 43 10-75 Assignment: Ladder 159 (FAST) Battalion 33 Squad 1 Rescue 2 Division 8 S/C Extra Engine & Truck: Engine 309 Ladder 156 Second Alarm Assignment: Engine 276, 330, 245, 255, 284 w/ Sat 3 Ladder 172 Battalion 41 (Safety), 42 (RUL) Rescue Battalion Safety Battalion Field Comm S/C Extra Battalion: Battalion 58 Relocations: L114/L153 B32/B43 E217/E246 E271/E309

Battalion Coordinators also do dual responses that require multiple agencies (more than 2 I believe). For examples, calls at Graham Hills Park for injured parties get Pleasantville FD, Hawthorne FD, Thornwood FD and Batttalion 11. EMS Battalions are geographically different I believe.

Is it out yet?

Was doing firehouse safety OSHA training tonight and when discussing storage containers for combustible liquids and aerosols in the firehouse, I began to wonder if there is a standard for storage of combustible materials or aerosols on apparatus. For example, the yellow flammable cabinets that we all know and have in our firehouses...why are there not a small on in a compartment on rigs. We have gasoline, starter fluid, etc on rigs just put where they can fit. Is there an NFPA standard for storing these materials on rigs?

Missed that part... Capt, can you post a picture of the cabinet that has the "fuel tools"?