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Original Millwood VFC Station 1 is at 94 Millwood Road.  It was sold some time in the past few years with the completion of the new HQ.  Also in NYC the old Fire Patrol station near NYU in the village still stands.  Reportedly owned by CNN anchor Anderson Cooper.

Nah... just on the wrong side of it!!!

Nah... just on the wrong side of it!!!

Nick... The first three numbers are the department number as you said.  Usually the last number denotes a decreasing level of command authority.  My old department (Millwood) is Westchester County Department 225.
 
2251 - Chief
2252 - 1st Assistant Chief
2253 - 2nd Assistant Chief
2254 - Captain
2255 - 1st Lieutenant
2256 - 2nd Lieutenant
2257 - 3rd Lieutenant
2258 - Safety Office (when I was there this may have changed)
2259 - Ex Chief that took acting chief role if one of the 3 active chiefs was out of town (this may have changed since then as well)
 
This is how it is set up for Millwood.  Other departments have more than one captain or they have deputy chiefs or more than 3 chiefs so the last number may designate one of those positions and the lieutenants may never have a county command number.
 
Hope this helps.

Nick... The first three numbers are the department number as you said.  Usually the last number denotes a decreasing level of command authority.  My old department (Millwood) is Westchester County Department 225.
 
2251 - Chief
2252 - 1st Assistant Chief
2253 - 2nd Assistant Chief
2254 - Captain
2255 - 1st Lieutenant
2256 - 2nd Lieutenant
2257 - 3rd Lieutenant
2258 - Safety Office (when I was there this may have changed)
2259 - Ex Chief that took acting chief role if one of the 3 active chiefs was out of town (this may have changed since then as well)
 
This is how it is set up for Millwood.  Other departments have more than one captain or they have deputy chiefs or more than 3 chiefs so the last number may designate one of those positions and the lieutenants may never have a county command number.
 
Hope this helps.

Using it to vent a dormer or cupola by putting it through the window is one thing.  Using it to force apart timber is another.  If that were a new aerial I would bet that that would void the warranty and I'd be curious to hear what the folks that perform the ladder certification would say if they saw this.  I don't have a problem doing whatever it takes to save a life, but I didn't get the sense that was what we were watching here.

Like I said before, do whatever it takes to save a life.  It didn't look like this was a life saving move (although I can't be sure).  My concern is if 10 minutes later, the aerial is needed to effect the rescue of the jake who is clearly seen walking across the back of the roof at the beginning of the video, and its been tweaked by the side loads that it was never intended to endure OR if a hydraulic line fails due to placing forces on the hydraulic system that it wasn't intended to withstand, then what happens.  You've got a ladder that OOS due to using it in a way it wasn't designed and a FF who's most efficient rescue may not happen.  There are limits to what the equipment can withstand.  Within the scope of normal operation we know what the ladder will withstand with regard to water flow and tip weight that is designed to be measured in the vertical plane.  We have no idea what forces are put on an aerial device when using it to do demo work on the horizontal plane.
 
Do whatever it takes to save a life.  Use your tools according to their intended design and specification otherwise.

Using it to vent a dormer or cupola by putting it through the window is one thing.  Using it to force apart timber is another.  If that were a new aerial I would bet that that would void the warranty and I'd be curious to hear what the folks that perform the ladder certification would say if they saw this.  I don't have a problem doing whatever it takes to save a life, but I didn't get the sense that was what we were watching here.

Just saw the Tiller order post on FB for BHFD was on April 1... I fell for it... Clearly an April Fools Joke....

Just saw the Tiller order post on FB for BHFD was on April 1... I fell for it... Clearly an April Fools Joke....

Up until the mid 1990's when the BOFC agreed to build a new firehouse in Millwood, the Millwood Fire Company owned the former headquarters station and the Millwood Fire District paid the Fire Company rent to keep the District's apparatus in the Company's building.  The Company sold the building to the District for a dollar with the promise of a new, modern fire house to be built.  It only took 20 years and tons of legal nonsense for it to happen.
 
Interesting story.... One night many moons ago, there was a dispute over something (the rent I'm assuming) and the commissioners came and got the fire apparatus out of the headquarters station and took it to station 2 on Rt134 over the dispute.  Rumor has it that the apparatus was back the next day.

Up until the mid 1990's when the BOFC agreed to build a new firehouse in Millwood, the Millwood Fire Company owned the former headquarters station and the Millwood Fire District paid the Fire Company rent to keep the District's apparatus in the Company's building.  The Company sold the building to the District for a dollar with the promise of a new, modern fire house to be built.  It only took 20 years and tons of legal nonsense for it to happen.
 
Interesting story.... One night many moons ago, there was a dispute over something (the rent I'm assuming) and the commissioners came and got the fire apparatus out of the headquarters station and took it to station 2 on Rt134 over the dispute.  Rumor has it that the apparatus was back the next day.

Up until the mid 1990's when the BOFC agreed to build a new firehouse in Millwood, the Millwood Fire Company owned the former headquarters station and the Millwood Fire District paid the Fire Company rent to keep the District's apparatus in the Company's building.  The Company sold the building to the District for a dollar with the promise of a new, modern fire house to be built.  It only took 20 years and tons of legal nonsense for it to happen.
 
Interesting story.... One night many moons ago, there was a dispute over something (the rent I'm assuming) and the commissioners came and got the fire apparatus out of the headquarters station and took it to station 2 on Rt134 over the dispute.  Rumor has it that the apparatus was back the next day.

Yes Barry it is not an acceptable response.  I've read the studies. I've pissed more people off over the years by challenging their worldview and fiefdom than I can shake a stick at.
 
My point is that the closest piece of manned apparatus that is capable of proving some form of legitimate assistance should be dispatched regardless of crappy lines drawn in the sand. The people who need help don't see, care or understand mutual aid agreements or district lines nor do most know whether or not a volley or career rig is coming. I'd bet that 75% or more households in Portchester have no clue that the career staff was killed off.
 
if the closest Scarsdale station was closed then the run card should have changed to reflect it and even if it meant that a two man rig from Eastchester was coming because it was the next reasonable piece then that is how it should be.
 
In the rest of the country where dispatchers actually have discretion over response based on staffing you actually hear apparatus mark up with how many interior firefighters they have.  If not sufficient the dispatcher will alert the next due while allowing the understaffed rig to continue because it provides some form of incremental benefit. 

 
Assuming that another rig with more staffing was on its way, a rig with two is still better than none.  Establishing continuous water supply, throwing ladders to a known point of entrapment, extended walk around and size-up to the remaining incoming units, among many other activities can be completed by a crew of two and if nothing else, they're geared up and immediately fill out the "two in two out" requirement when the next arriving apparatus marks up. 

 
Assuming that another rig with more staffing was on its way, a rig with two is still better than none.  Establishing continuous water supply, throwing ladders to a known point of entrapment, extended walk around and size-up to the remaining incoming units, among many other activities can be completed by a crew of two and if nothing else, they're geared up and immediately fill out the "two in two out" requirement when the next arriving apparatus marks up. 

Yes Barry it is not an acceptable response.  I've read the studies. I've pissed more people off over the years by challenging their worldview and fiefdom than I can shake a stick at.
 
My point is that the closest piece of manned apparatus that is capable of proving some form of legitimate assistance should be dispatched regardless of crappy lines drawn in the sand. The people who need help don't see, care or understand mutual aid agreements or district lines nor do most know whether or not a volley or career rig is coming. I'd bet that 75% or more households in Portchester have no clue that the career staff was killed off.
 
if the closest Scarsdale station was closed then the run card should have changed to reflect it and even if it meant that a two man rig from Eastchester was coming because it was the next reasonable piece then that is how it should be.
 
In the rest of the country where dispatchers actually have discretion over response based on staffing you actually hear apparatus mark up with how many interior firefighters they have.  If not sufficient the dispatcher will alert the next due while allowing the understaffed rig to continue because it provides some form of incremental benefit. 

 
Assuming that another rig with more staffing was on its way, a rig with two is still better than none.  Establishing continuous water supply, throwing ladders to a known point of entrapment, extended walk around and size-up to the remaining incoming units, among many other activities can be completed by a crew of two and if nothing else, they're geared up and immediately fill out the "two in two out" requirement when the next arriving apparatus marks up. 

 
Assuming that another rig with more staffing was on its way, a rig with two is still better than none.  Establishing continuous water supply, throwing ladders to a known point of entrapment, extended walk around and size-up to the remaining incoming units, among many other activities can be completed by a crew of two and if nothing else, they're geared up and immediately fill out the "two in two out" requirement when the next arriving apparatus marks up. 

 
Assuming that another rig with more staffing was on its way, a rig with two is still better than none.  Establishing continuous water supply, throwing ladders to a known point of entrapment, extended walk around and size-up to the remaining incoming units, among many other activities can be completed by a crew of two and if nothing else, they're geared up and immediately fill out the "two in two out" requirement when the next arriving apparatus marks up. 

 
Assuming that another rig with more staffing was on its way, a rig with two is still better than none.  Establishing continuous water supply, throwing ladders to a known point of entrapment, extended walk around and size-up to the remaining incoming units, among many other activities can be completed by a crew of two and if nothing else, they're geared up and immediately fill out the "two in two out" requirement when the next arriving apparatus marks up. 

 
Assuming that another rig with more staffing was on its way, a rig with two is still better than none.  Establishing continuous water supply, throwing ladders to a known point of entrapment, extended walk around and size-up to the remaining incoming units, among many other activities can be completed by a crew of two and if nothing else, they're geared up and immediately fill out the "two in two out" requirement when the next arriving apparatus marks up. 

 
Assuming that another rig with more staffing was on its way, a rig with two is still better than none.  Establishing continuous water supply, throwing ladders to a known point of entrapment, extended walk around and size-up to the remaining incoming units, among many other activities can be completed by a crew of two and if nothing else, they're geared up and immediately fill out the "two in two out" requirement when the next arriving apparatus marks up. 

 
Assuming that another rig with more staffing was on its way, a rig with two is still better than none.  Establishing continuous water supply, throwing ladders to a known point of entrapment, extended walk around and size-up to the remaining incoming units, among many other activities can be completed by a crew of two and if nothing else, they're geared up and immediately fill out the "two in two out" requirement when the next arriving apparatus marks up.