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So what is your definition of a firefighter?

KME won the competitive bid (low bid) and was awarded a contract for these as did Ferrara for nearly all the rigs in service. I believe engine 54 was the only one donated by Ferrara and it served in midtown for some time.

The folks south of the reservoir have never been the ones to hold up some form of collaborative agreement. Why would IBM spend a dime on a fire house when there are two Millwood stations within two miles that bookend their campus. Why would the taxpayers of this remote section of Yorktown build a firehouse in an area where Millwood has a station less than a mile away with two rigs, nearly 4500 gallons of water and nearly a half mile of LDH. Millwood Station 2 has been open since 1982 logic would dictate that if there are people south of the reservoir living in the YH district that if they were interested in being a volunteer FF that they are already members of Millwood. No YHFD rigs have ever been stationed at MFC station 2 for anything other than a standby to my knowledge. Now all this being said, if the taxpayers want a firehouse then they should get their fire house. Putting one in RT 134 won't change a thing for the guys from Millwood. It's not like the guys from Millwood or the guys from Yorktown are going to get any more or less calls as a result of the firehouse being there, and without district lines being changed nothing is going to change other than the stupidity of having to firehouses within a mile of each other.

I honestly don't play the Career vs Vollie argument but you'd have a lot more credibility if you'd stick to the facts. Take a lesson from Chief Flynn from Yonkers and just stick to the facts....

There are plenty of volly chiefs who are certified beyond the credentials that you specify. There are plenty who aren't. There are also plenty of career chiefs that litter suburbia with the minimum certifications required to attain the position, who have been placed there through political influence and have no business commanding a girl scout troop selling cookies let alone let alone a fire-rescue response. Your post seems to be more pointed towards a vollie vs. career discussion rather than actually having data to support whether or not volunteer chiefs in a particular municipality have the appropriate certifications to attend a training event that could potentially improve the outcome of an emergency that may occur in their first due response area.

The MOS who refused this detail is well known as an extremely dedicated firefighter and trusted source of training knowledge. Outgoing Chief Ellerbe only details E30/T17 and E10/T13 to these assignments. These are some of the busiest companies in the country let alone the District and it would appear that he has an axe to grind with them. I've heard these referenced as the "retaliation companies". This guy can't leave town fast enough.

The information regarding this incident is still very vague. I would suggest however, considering that some news sources have stated that the pilot house was compromised, that getting to the nearest dock on the side of the river where the most appropriate medical facility is would be a priority considering damage to the vessel. Further travel down river might only invite the possibility of SOS or abandon ship call based on the damage to the boat....which would only put the injured MOS at further risk. I think that we will learn all we need about this event to satisfy our curiosity after an report is generated. Until then prayers to the MOS for rest and relief on a horrible injury.

Mack R model suggests that the photos were taken after 1966

That Mack is an R model which would suggest that the photos were taken in 1966 or later….

I don't honestly buy that this rig is overweight for its braking system. I'll nearly guarantee that it has vented discs at all four corners that have more than double the stopping power of older drum style brakes that were the norm until the '90's and that were spec'd for the weight rating of the axle that they are attached to. If the truck were under spec'd from a braking standpoint, it would most likely by under spec'd from a suspension and axle standpoint as well, and there is no mention of that thus far. This being said, can modern brake systems be cooked? Absolutely. But whether its a fire truck, big rig, or a race car, it's due to how the operator is driving the vehicle the vast majority of the time not the braking system. I'm unfamiliar with the mountainous road that was referenced before, but I'm willing to bet that it's not the first time this rig or any of the other rigs in the department have descended it. Starting at the top of the hill at a safe speed and utilizing the transmission and engine (Jake) brake along with the braking system should result in a controlled and safe descent. Most apparatus operators today simply leave the transmission selector in "drive" and never utilize the lower gear ratios to control the vehicle. The advent of tougher emissions controls and fuel standards has also brought forth the "free wheeling" concept, where when a rig is in high gear and coasting, that the transmission freewheels and thus the engine is not available to provide compression braking, nor is the engine brake functioning. The only way around this is in many cases is to select a lower gear that will not permit the transmission to freewheel. Regardless, from the outside looking in, there appears to be more political motivation with this decision than concern for the roads and vehicle safety.

So 702, a single axle rescue wagon, weighs more than 701, a tandem axle pumper tanker with 3000 gallons of water (25,000lb) on board???? I've got a title for a handsome old bridge that connects lower Manhatten to the Long Island that could be yours for......

I just learned a lot about the Rockland County bird…. Just curious… Of the three services that share it's use do any of them use it more than another? The pilots, are they flying with another agency as their day job? BTW I appreciate a tough conversation that eventually calms to one of productivity. Stay safe res6cue...

thebreeze… I was done with you in the Tankers vs. LDH units when you commented that guys who ride the truck are "firemen's helpers" and that only the guys on the engine were real firemen. Please refer to my comments at the end of that thread about you going back to your hole and letting the rest of us have a legitimate conversation about the fire service. If I could kiss you good night and tuck you in I would. Sweet dreams about packing hose….

Thank you. I absolutely respect your opinion. The cost if the overhaul seems reasonable for the role you have described. I hope it serves Rockland and surrounding communities well.

res6cue Ok we're not going to hijack the thread.... 27 years in Westchester before Florida... spent plenty of time with the boys in Orangeburg and in college there was a strong Gettysburg Hillcrest relationship so I'm not exactly a stranger to the people who's "opinions matter most. " You were defensive and whiny about a valid question about leaving functionality on the table. The helicopter just underwent a two year overhaul and is nothing more than an airborne observation platform. If there is enough work for it fulfilling that role, and that's your opinion, then I totally respect that. I just don't need it in a rant that resembles a kid slamming doors when he doesn't get what he wants. Don't give me that QTIP crap either, I'm not the one defending something here.

res6cue.... I've obviously offended you based on your extremely defensive response. Ordinarily I'd be apologetic but when you start that crap about people's opinions that "actually matter", I'd rather tell you to shove it. If you can't have a constructive conversation and deliver an evidence based reply to an opinion that differs from yours then why participate?

Am I alone in thinking that this is a bit of a waste without at least one of the listed functions that are excluded from its mission?

Henrico County, VA (Richmond) does similar.

Does anyone know what the smaller apparatus is that the article references in the Bernal Heights section of town?

That's pretty much it. He knows that the guys that live in PA, Western Maryland, WV, and Central VA will never be able to do 6 12's (*)

Ok boss... You've hijacked the thread because I commented on preferring truck work over laying and packing over a mile of hose. No one here takes you seriously. Your name in your profile is that of a drunken fireman from Kurt Vonnegut novels, your location is an obscure island in the Pacific, and you've quoted a study most likely created by a bunch of people who never turned a wheel on a piece of fire apparatus let alone actually put out a fire. I didn't start this BS, you did because you like to hear yourself talk and thought that you could hide behind your screen name and be a keyboard cowboy. You thought that you'd get a bunch of people to jump on your "I know what a real fireman is" bandwagon against me. Epic fail on your part. Now please go crawl back into the little hole that you popped your head out of and leave the rest of us alone to have a legitimate conversation.

Just out the headlight bezels back on the cab and it would look fine.

FB is calling it E154. Is TL12 for sale. (*)

I wasn't going to take the bait but because you decided to show all of us your back side.... Every time I vent the roof it's usually because I'm trying to give my two truck company members that have been inside making a search or a save some relief while the guys on the engine are still outside trying to figure out which end of the hose the water comes out of!

Ok (*)