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This is mostly true in the NY metropolitan area.... However if you go to PA, MD, VA, KY, NC, SC, and a lot of other states, fire protection isn't necessarily funded by taxes, or municipal budgets... Many states do not allow fire departments to gather funding because if the municipality isn't a "City"....If it's a boro, borough, township, town, hamlet, village, etc... it may not be legal to levee a fire tax. Here is a real life example that I lived while in college.... Gettysburg Fire Department, Gettysburg, PA.... (gettysburgfd.com) On the MD border a short distance from the National Fire Academy in Emmitsburg, MD... The Borough of Gettysburg does not have a fire tax. The fire department raises money through it's annual carnival which it holds each year during the week of July 4th. It also raises money for billing insurance companies for EMS calls that it runs with its two ambulances. It has a mail fund raiser that goes to all the people that live within the FD's first due. It also gets donations from local businesses who realize the value of fire protection. Finally, they have 50/50 raffles, dinners, auctions, etc. They just had a big ceremony for the paying off of the mortgage on their 9 bay station. All thier apparatus is paid for by the blood sweat and tears of the membership and the kindness of the community.... If they have to they borrow money from the borough or a bank and pay it off. With the exception of Rescue 1 (a new Sutphen Engine/Rescue) all of their apparatus is paid for and titled in thier name, as is the building and fairgrounds. I'm sure the Rescue will be paid for soon as will the new Engine 1-1 which is the soon to be delivered replacement for Engines 1-1 "The General Ike", and 1-4 which essentially were combined when they bought Quint 1 to add to the fleet along with 1-2, 1-3, Truck 1, the two ambulances, and service (utility). I chipped in by buying thier old B model Mack, "The General Ike" from them for a tad more than what it was worth But it's priceless to me. They are lucky to have the support of the town. There are other fire departments that have had to watch their apparatus get repossesed by the bank as the families of the FF's watched in tears. Not cool.

My wife's family has a mountain house in Banner Elk. It is a wonderful town with wonderful people. I can only imagine that these Members Of The Service were as wonderful as the town that they protected. A terrible loss for one department to endure.

I haven't been to Wing House since moving to Orlando, but my wife who's a native says that they're good. I'll have to check it out. I'm not a huge fan of Hooters food, but I was in Daytona for Bike Week Thursday, Friday, Saturday of last week.... My buds and I had our motorhome in the park behind Hooters and were there 5 times in 3 days.... Closing the place each night.... For some reason the wings were great this time around. Might have been the beer talking though. Three Mile Island OR 911 is the only way to go. Anything less just doesn't get the nose running like wings are supposed to.

Snozzle is essentially an articulating boom that is mounted on an engine (as opposed to a ladder chassis) chassis. Is does not have a ladder attached to it. It typically has a piercing device at the tip which allows the apparatus to deliver a master stream through small openings such as an aircraft window. TeleSquirt is typically a rear mounted boom with an escape ladder mounted on it like an Aerialscope. They are mounted on engine chassis and are compact and great for departments that need minimal aerial capacity but require the ability to establish an elevated master stream or effect a rescue / access a roof. The most common telesquirt sizes are 50 and 55ft. They should not be confused with a dedicated ladder truck. They typically are equiped like an engine, and fill the box assignment as such. They typically do not carry enough ground ladders to qualify as a quint for those municipalities who have a quint designation. This is why TS2 was rebadged as E-245 and TS3 was rebadged as E-250 in Westchester.

I believe the PAPD Volvo rig is still in service and based out of the big PAPD station in "no-mans-land" between Hoboken & Jersey city.

To my knowledge NHRFR is a career department. They are surrounded by career, combo, and vollie departments. For example, to the south, Hoboken is a career department To the west, Secaucus is a vollie department There are a few vollie stations along the water between Fort Lee and Weehawkin. Fort Lee is at least a combo department if not all vollie, but I'm not sure if they border NHRFR's box or if there are other juristictions in the middle.

Old Ford unit still in service in Denver Colorado with their water rescue team http://www.denvergov.org/FireDepartment/239photo655.asp

Are you looking for pictures because you are looking to spec a vehicle and are shopping for ideas OR are you looking for them for other reasons. If you are looking to spec, let us know a little more about your preferences so that some of us can forward more specific items. From prior experience I'm pretty familiar with a good deal of "smaller fire apparatus" be it brush truck on pickup chassis, commercial chassis, military chassis, as well as quick attacks, mini-attack/mini pumper, and short wheel base commercial and custom cab pumpers. There are probably folks from Dutchess and Putnam who can help as well...

http://www.millwoodfire.org/apparatus.php#pic I realize that the chassis is 16 years old, but Millwood MA-10 is one of the most robust Mini Pumpers that I've seen in my 14 years as a member of the service. It's 2 drawbacks are that it was built right before the 7.4L International diesel was fitted with a turbocharger, so It's a pig.... AND it only has 150 gallons of water... However, it's is designed to be a mini fire truck... It's NOT a brush truck, it's NOT a quick attack. It is designed to operate either off road as a pumper at a fire (once again not as a dedicated brush truck, but a pumper) OR at fires where traditional fire apparatus cannot fit. It's designed to lay into and be supplied, or suppress fire with it's pre piped class B foam system. As mentioned before, it's specs are below, and could easially be reproduced on a modern F-550 chassis. Ford F-350 Hale 750gpm single stage with pre piped class B foam system 150gal water 25 gal foam 1000 (one thousand) feet of 4 inch supply hose 150 1.75in crosslay 200ft 2in crosslay 100ft 1.75in foam line forestry hose with supply 3inch supply line with manifold chain saw 2 Scott paks with spares Mulit purpose ladder Attachments for Zodiac transport water rescue gear winch

I love the fact that they have bells on the front bumper. I miss the old E-247 (1976 ALF Century)... I used the bell on it all the time on Sundays when we'd approach the small church in Millwood... NCPD will usually have the intersection locked up for you so traffic wasn't a factor and a few good raps on the bell would usually be enough to keep folks from crossing the street until we passed... Just a little friendlier than leaning on the siren and dumping the air horns.

It's been a while since I've had wings in Westchester, but Foley's in P-Ville was my favorite. In NYC, Brother Jimmy's was my choice Check out Black Bear on Washington Street in Hoboken too... Best wings I've ever had were at a place named Kokomos in Camp Hill, PA (Harrisburg). They were often awarded best wings in PA. Wednesday nights used to drive the 20 miles up from Gettysburg in college for nickle wing night.

I think its dangerous to put a maximum age on participants in the fire services (career or otherwise). Many great leaders and peers of mine would be excluded if that was the case. One of the chiefs that I had the pleasure of serving under, in the next few years, will fall into an age bracket where some folks would say that he should no longer be responding. I COULDN'T DISAGREE MORE.... I'd take him as my partner on the hairest job any day of the week. He's fit, stong, knowledgable, and able to do the work of someone decades younger than he is. BUT There there does need to be a check and balance to make sure that we're not putting people at undue risk. I personally believe that on a case by case basis, all Members Of The Service above the age of 65 should have an annual health review to ensure that their level of response is appropriate. This should not simply be limited to a doctor's yea or nea on the individual's health, but it should also include an an interview and discussion with the senior member by a commanding officer who is responsible for their health and safety both on and off the fireground. Finally, we also need to keep in mind what these folks want for themselves. If a 78 year old grandfather who could potentially have 60+ years in the fire service is physically and mentally capable of directing traffic at the scene of an incident to the standards required by his department, then who are we to say that he should die at home in bed vs. while directing traffic (a tragic ending to anyone's life regardless of age).

I didn't mean to hijack the thread, but my comments are based on a concern over actual handline training.... The traditional engine company operations drill doesn't cover most of this stuff. As far as training on larger attack lines, I don't feel like nearly enough of it is done. This may seem obvious to many, but dragging a fully charged duece through a building isn't easy. Many FF's who are used to working with an 1.75in line are not prepared for the work involved to put a duece in service and actually make an aggressive attack with it.... I know many departments that have "charge at the door" policies which require the crew to march through the building with a charged line to reach the seat of the fire. Precious time and energy is lost doing this. Many of the best stops I've been on have been as a result of stretching an uncharged line as far as safely possible into the building before relaying the order to charge.... Attic fires in brownstones are a great example.... You can have a fully involved attic that will require a duece, but 4 stories of narrow, winding staircase to climb. With a "charge at the door" policy, the duece will take several minutes to climb the stairs, and the vent team might very well be waiting on you to crack the building thus putting them in hazzards way. With an uncharged line the top floor can be reached in minimal time, with the crew still having enough air air and energy to make an effective initial attack. Other items that I feel aren't covered often enough include discussions of when straight vs fog streams are to be used, water application techniques (literally how and where to put the water at a job), hydraulic ventalation, etc. One final training point regarding handlines that I have brought up many times since Millwood purchased the current E-247 in the late '90s is the extreme difference in conditions when comparing fires suppressed with water and CAFS. Many departments are purchasing CAFS equipment given it's awesome capabilities to suppress fires in short periods of time with minimial water AND water damage. Many departments are so excited about the abilities of CAFS that they overlook the major differences and dangers that come with it as well. Quick examples include the fact that CAFS does very little to suppress heat in the room and thus, the fire might be out, but the room is still every bit as hot as it was when it was glowing a minute prior. I've heard accounts of several firefighters that have been burned by standing up in a room shortly after using CAFS to suppress a fire. This brings another point, that CAFS doesn't allow you to vent the room with the hose stream out of a window. CAFS also doesn't offer the penetration and dispersion that a water straight stream does. Just examples of how the logistics of using larger attack lines is overlooked during training and thus could lead to fireground complications.

If you're looking at the whole pretend bomb and the key pad is to the left, just above it, there is a box. Click on it, and the extra numbers will appear click on them as your inventory and a close up of the pad will appear. You have to figure out where to put the numbers and then type in the code to see if you've done it right. I won't tell you what it is, but there is a pattern to get it done. The other numbers on the key pad were placed in thier location for a reason. Good luck.

Just did it.... Not easy.

I was at 3 Engine in DC this weekend, and most seemed to think that unless he was charged criminally that there would be no action taken by DCFD. He has been to work since the incident. Given everything I saw on the video and from folks that are close to the situation, he didn't do anything that warrented criminal charges. Anger management classes might be a start though.

Summer of 1993 16 years old and not even a week or so out of essentials class.... Adams Road (cross of Possum in the Stillwater Hills area)... One of those tricky areas that if I recall is Town of Ossining but Yorktown Fire District... BUT if you had to describe where it was to give directions you'd say Millwood (Pinesbridge Road exit of TSP).... Structure fire in a 1.5 story single family that started in the basement. Rode up on the old E-245 (B Model Mack) and went in on a secondary search (negative) on the main floor with Todd Kruger (then Captain now ex-chief MFC) and one other member who I cant remember who it was. I recall a Yorktown FF being transported for eating a ton of smoke on that job.

In many cases, you will see the Truck chauffer fall in with his company if the apparatus is unable to be utilized for its aeriel capabilities due to apparatus location on the scene. Even so, if the aeriel device isn't being used immeadiatly upon arrival, the chauffer may be throwing ground ladders, assisting with the OVM, or if the first due truck is a quint, and the MPO is operating the pump, the second due truck chauffer may be assigned to the turntable of the first due truck. Staying with apparatus when possible is a logical choice, but the fireground is a fluid environment and having an MPO or Chauffer stay with a piece of apparatus that is onscene but not in use is not always practical. Also, there is an inexpensive way to fix this problem.... If an apparatus is left unattended, there are kill systems that can be installed so that if the brake pedel or gear selector are moved in any way, that the engine dies. They are common in ambulances and police cars, but I've never seen one in a fire truck before.

Don't get me wrong, I think the fire should have been put out. Take the guy to court for the money later.... BUT it's very easy for the majority (not all) of the people who post on this board to be critical of this department. I spent 4 years in college working with some pretty rural fire departments in PA and MD and life there is very different than it is in the NY Metro area. I realize that some local departments do some hard fundraising and own their firehouses or equipment but for most in the NY Metro Area that isn't the case... The fire district or municipality owns most if not all the property and equipment. In many states unless a municipality is considered a "city" they may not have the authority to levee a fire tax (That is to say, Villages, Boroughs, Boros, Townships, Hamlets, etc who have fire departments may not have the authority to levee a fire tax... Only a City that is chartered as such). SO what you wind up with (as was mentioned before) is a department full of members that have to break their backs not only to provide fire protection, but to raise the money to pay for their property and equipment. In the NY Metro area, most departments have the luxury of having their apparatus paid for via taxes. The district puts it out to bid and the equipment is purchased.... When we're traveling through the rest of America, and see a steel building fire house with a sign out front that says "Bingo First & Third Fridays 8:00pm" and "Shrimp Feed $10.00 Per Person" it's not because they are a bunch of hokey red necks that don't have anyting to do with their Friday nights, its because they've got a mortage on the fire house, and a vehicle payment to make every month on that 20 year old used Mack CF-600 that they just bought from some department up near New York City for $30,000. By the way, there is nothing more heartbreaking than watching a piece of fire apparatus get repossessed by the bank as the department members and their families watch helplessly. In areas where donations and fund raising is really poor, and the population is spread out over hundreds of square miles, due to the inability of local government to subsidize fire protection, Subscription Service is a last resort. Trust me, these guys don't want to be collecting money for fire protection.

That's assuming that you never invested the money and had growth of principal... If you invested the money and assumed a 5.0% average annual return compounded over 70 years (5% isn't very aggressive) it would be worth... Get ready.... $4,563,963,830.... Yup... 4.5 billion dollars....

Very disappointing. I hope that this is a result of the media trying to sensationalize the story, as I have traditionally been a big fan of the crew at Kentland. If it is true, Andy is 100% correct. These clowns should be charged with every crime in the book. I would assume that at a minimum they could be indicted on reckless endangerment, aggravated assault, and some form of interfering with the duty of a public safety official. There is also a question about whether or not the fight impeded the progress of supression. If so, and additional damage was done to the building during the time that the FF's were fighting, there may be a whole different charge levied on the departments by the building owner. I've been at plenty of fires and other emergencies where crews and officers have had differing opinions.... "move your apparatus".... "pick up my line".... "why didn't you do this"... "why did you do that"..... "you're second due"... "we smoked you into your own job"... I've seen some shoves and punches thrown in the street afterward... BUT nothing that didn't eventually get solved with a handshake.... This stuff is crazy... We're all on the same team.

I would be interested to see what they are offering. Do you have any pictures, links, etc. that show their product. I didn't see anything on their web site when I followed the link that N.R.F.D.~TL-11 pasted. Can it be ordered as a quint on a single axle with a 75 foot stick.

Seagrave makes Mid Mount Towers via the Aerialscope platform. To my knowledge, Seagrave hasn't made midmount straight jobs in some time. Until recently Ladder 41 in Ossining was a Maxim mid mount Somers ran an American LaFrance (1950's) midmount until a few years ago

Mid mount aerial apparatus allow for a lower profile and with modern chassis design, you can often have just as much compartment space as a rear mount. In fact a modern midmount will allow for everything a rearmount will... Hose bed, pump, tank, ground ladders, compartmentation etc. Also, there is an advantage to a mid mount in my mind... With a rear mount, if the driver doesn't back in, you lose between 30-45ft of aerial reach (the length from the turn table to the front of the apparatus.) With a mid mount, you only lose the length of the cab. There are several manufacturers that make mid mount aerials.... These are the ones I know off the top of my head Pierce makes a 100ft Midmount on a tandem axle American LaFrance makes a 75, 90, 100ft Midmount on a tandem axle Sutphen makes a 50, 65, 75ft midmount on a single axle, 104ft midmount on a tandem axle E-One makes a 50ft midmount telesquirt on a single axle KME makes a 100ft midmount on a tandem axle Smeal makes a 100ft midmount on a tandem axle Marion makes a 75ft midmount (not sure axle requirement) Ferrara might make a 100ft midmount on a tandem axle.

1975 Plymoth Scamp Bronze with white vinyl roof and interior. 225ci slant six... Bullet proof. My brother gave me this car, but about 6 mos after, the front shock towers started to deteriorate and I was forced to scrap it. I then purchased my first car on my own.... Red 1985 Mazda RX-7.