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Doubt it... If it were from layoffs the m/a would be coming from within the county. I suspect if a Purple K unit from FDNY has been called it is for specific assistance with extinguishing a fire that only Purple K will work properly on. There is not to my knowledge a unit in Westchester that carries any mentionable amount of Purple K.

I'm no longer a member of that department so I'm not sure of the program's current success/status. It worked initially when I was there though.

Member's could choose to have taxes withheld. Double pull is a term used frequently in the mid-atlantic (DC Metro) for getting two of the same apparatus out simultaneously. In my previous post I was saying that with the per call incentive pay, every time there were two calls for EMS, both ambulances got out more frequently as opposed to one making it out and the next failing and going next due. The PCR's were taken by hand on a standard form. The essential information was always there otherwise you wouldn't be permitted to crewchief an EMS rig. The point I was making, was that the PCR's were typed into the computerized reporting system faster, with less rejections/corrections to be made when there was a check waiting on it at the end of the week. If the EMS Captain didn't like the narrative, or if the EMT dragged his feet getting it transferred to the computer then the paycheck was held until it was accepted by the Captain and forwarded to the state for archiving.

A department I was a member of some time ago did this for EMS calls. The department ran 2000+ ems calls per year with two BLS rigs and was starting to see a drop off in member responses. As a result they paid each member $10 per ems call where the patient was transported locally, and $25 per call when they were transported more than 15 miles. For inter-hospital transports or nursing home transports members were paid $50. The result was great. The members had some extra money, the rigs double pulled almost all the time and ems billing revenues went up. Ambulance responses for standby's and fire/rescue calls were not compensated unless a patient was transported. An added positive result was that trip sheets became much more thorough and were completed in a timely manner. In order to be paid for a job, the trip sheet had to meet certain criteria AND be submitted within a specified time following the call.

Yes... Although I'm not sure if they are still in service, but we equipped Rescue 36 with a vehicle specific reference guide and the annual refresher/update guide. A copy also went on E248. If someone with radio communications on scene (Chief, PD, etc) could relay the vehicle make, model, year back to one of the extraction units while they were in route, the officer could begin to look up the specific info regarding restraint systems in the vehicles. I'm not sure if these manuals have been updated in the 6 years that I've been gone, but they were valuable at the time we equipped the extraction units with them. E247 is now equipped with extrication equipment as well. If they are still in use, I'm assuming (hoping) a copy went on E247 as well.

On the floor right now... Thats great. Now I know why the smart soccer moms used to bring sliced oranges for after practice & games...

Date: 06-29-2010 Time: 0215hrs Location: Tampa, FL 50th Street IAO 34th Ave near I-4 Departments: Tampa PD, Tampa Fire Rescue, Hillsborough County Sheriffs Office Description: Male and female occupants of vehicle open fire on LEO's during traffic stop. 2 LODD's. Links: WESH News Link to Article Writer: mfc2257

No I've never come across an online pic of one of them... TL14 TL119... They were not in service very long. I suspect they looked like the rig below.

To make the oddity of some of these rigs even more odd.... TL14 & 163 had pumps on them... So did TL14's Sutphen prior to the ALF/LTI Tower.

Maybe VOM then... Looks like the word Mamaroneck is on the hood, but I'm looking at it on an iPhone so the pic isn't as big as I'd like.

The company or the building in which the company exists?

Is this are we looking at here? Montrose Ward Lafrance Mt. Kisco IFCO Seagrave TMFD Ward Lafrance Vahalla FD Maxim Rye FD Maxim TMFD Seagrave Ossining Maxim

Are you asking, how will they be paid is no one is there to pay them? If that is the case, many of those functions happen via a combination of 3rd party record keeping and actuarial services. For example, the dumbed down version of it is, the state through competitive bid like everything else hires a custodian, record keeper, and actuary. Through these services, the payments are calculated based on tables, the record keeper processes the payment, and the custodian distributes it on behalf of the state. So if the government shuts down for a short period of time, theoretically those assets paid as part of periodic payments, because they are held in a trust account and separate from other state dollars, should continue to flow.

so who "runs" the TMFD? Is it really a fire district that is just referred to as "Town of..."

Mamaroneck has Town and Village FD's.... No?

Barry and the rest of the career guys commenting on this are correct. A special operations rig (Squad or Rescue) should have a "ready reserve" rig to replace or back-fill it instantly. A standard engine company doesn't need a 1:1 ratio of front line to reserve because the chances of every front line engine being out of service at once is remote. The need for fully equipped ready reserves is not a career vs. vollie thing as many will point the discussion towards.... It's a component of call volume, geography, potential fire load, potential extrication load, combined with bread and butter work. There are plenty of vollie departments in the Northern Virginia, Southern Maryland, Baltimore, Washington metro area who have ready reserves that get used regularly. There are also several career departments who don't that REALLY need them... One final point about harping on why departments need one rig vs another.... A topic on this board was posted some time ago about a new Seagrave tandem axle heavy rescue that was purchased by a vollie department in nowheresville Delaware I believe. Some folks mentioned what a waste it was and how could they ever use it to it's potential.... To this, I say that specing apparatus should be done based on the criteria I listed above as well as the next nearest unit that can provide a similar service and what the load of similar criteria are for it (the next available unit). If a department in the middle of nowhere covers a 20 mile stretch of highway and the nearest heavy rescue is at least that far away OR doesn't have access to the highway in a timely matter, then they are justified in buying a piece of equipment that can handle an extensive call without immediate assistance..... The direct opposite of this is what has happened in Westchester with the number of aerial devices, let alone tower ladders are piled on top of each other which is something I've taken major issue with over the past few years. Cut the number of tower ladders in half AND reduce the overall number of aerial devices by 25-35% and everyone in northern Westchester benefits. The crews of the remaining truck companies get enough work to keep their skills up and you end up with more competent truck companies, AND the taxpayers save by reducing expenses.

In a large metropolitan area with the potential for dozens of calls for service to come in simultaneously, it's not really a duplication so much as it is overlapping key areas. The police don't put out fires, and the jakes don't enforce the law. HOWEVER when it comes to calls for EMS/Rescue and other emergency services, each agency having the ability to perform some shared services allows for more thorough coverage.... There are a few ESU's that perform vehicle/technical rescue alongside FD's locally... FDNY, Yonkers, Mount Vernon, Jersey City, Greenburgh, and others if my memory serves me correct. This coverage model isn't necessary (IMHO) outside of city settings or densely populated areas.

sorry thought this was a new topic and replied from my phone. Disregard

As was pointed out earlier, these rigs all purchased off of budgets in place in 2007-2008, before the decline. As far as I know this truck is the same design put forth in the old HME/Smeal's from the last order. Shouldn't have to modify any firehouses for L72 to fit and these purchases are rounding out a fleet of apparatus that didn't have a good reserve pool for a long time.

Precious! Also not fire related, but the two guys on the radios were a pair of Millwood VFC Chief's working their day gig at New Castle Highway Department.... Big snow storm and a bunch of us at at the firehouse on standby listening to Fire/Police/DPW traffic on the air. Highway Eight: "Highway Eight to base" Base: "Highway Eight" Highway Eight: "I'm going to need assistance at Seven Bridges and Quaker" Base: "10-4 what seems to be the problem" Highway Eight: "The truck won't move. I can't get the clutch to come up off the floor" Base: "Highway Eight, try lifting your foot off of it" Ton's of laughter followed across the air.... One other was from my college days... Gettysburg, PA Box 1-8 Structure Fire Quint, Truck, Two Engines already out the door and the radio traffic is pretty congested when the Rescue signs on. Rescue 1: "Rescue 1 to Adams County" Adams County: "Rescue 1" Rescue 1: We're responding Adams County: "10-4 Rescue 1, switch to Fire 4" Lots of Fire Ground Radio Traffic Rescue 1: "Adams can you give us an updated address and cross street" Adams County: (Sounding very put out) "Rescue 1 make a left out of the fire station and head east on RT30 a few miles, it'll be the house on fire with all the yellow fire engines in front of it"

Signed..... This concept goes so far beyond the fire service....... Our Nation has turned from one where hard work, honor, and integrity have been replaced by an attitude of entitlement. If I hear one more lazy slacker or kid who's done nothing with their life begin a sentence with the words "I deserve....." I think I'm going to blow my top.

I'm wondering what the layoff of these poor brothers will do to the City's ISO rating of 1. If it drops and in turn homeowners insurance goes up, I'm wondering what the real trade off to the taxpayer was/is going to be.

I would think that in a department of that size, it would be important with those attending the academy (probies or those already on the job) to have at least one unit of current spec to familiarize themselves with, especially in the case of FDNY's current order of Marauder II chassis which are different than the existing fleet of Seagrave rigs that are no longer in production. There is a large supply of older apparatus at The Rock for training as well... Basic pump ops, truck ops, etc can be done on any rig.... But at some point you need the most up-to-date rig to finish your apparatus training. If I'm not mistaken one of the first, if not the very first tower and engine on a Marauder II went to The Rock.

I'm not 100% sure how long that staffing is going to last. They are facing the possibility of eliminating nearly 400 positions. Maybe per unit staffing stays the same and eliminate positions by closing companies as Local 1403 reports on their website last week..... Eliminate Fire Boat and the Marine Services Bureau 1 Eliminate 12 Squads Eliminate Engine or Truck 16 Eliminate Platform (Tower) 21 Eliminate Rescues 70, 69, 56, 44, 43, 26, 50 Eliminate Engines 64, 35, 5, 40, 4 Eliminate Truck 22 Eliminate 2 Battalion Chiefs

Even though these rigs are equipped with other equipment, their role is primarily as a transport unit. A mini CAFS pump (don't know if MDFR units are equipped but some FL departments are) may be used to knock a car fire if the engine is delayed.... same with a combi tool if the engine, truck or heavy squad is delayed (I forget if MDFR Rescue's carries tools but some FL departments do). At a structure fire in the rescue's first due, the crew would fall in with the crew from the engine or truck. At a structure fire in the rescue's second due, they may help secure water supply and then stage as a transport unit. Each department's SOP/SOG is different but a large majority of FL fire departments staff their EMS units with FF/EMT's or FF/EMT-P's and those individuals have additional non-transport duties depending on what the nature of the call is and where they are in relation to their first due.