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Warwick is having their biannual parade this year. I believe Orange County's is in Montgomery as well.

If there is a bird at Randall, that is new to me as well. I know they keep Air 2 (LifeNET 74) at Kobelt Airport in the Hamlet of Wallkill in Ulster County (around 30 miles away from Town of Wallkill in Orange).

It was actually in the Town of Waywayanda, on the Waywayanda/Wallkill border. I'm surprised it didn't make the papers.

That's just the thing. These CSO/PSA's are NOT patrol officers. They are civilians, usually people waiting to get into the academy (paid at a lower rate, often part-time so no benefits or retirement to be concerned about) who are trained in report taking, basic crime scene, animal control, parking enforcement, traffic direction, maybe OC spray for self-defense, and their job is to handle cold low-priority calls, and non-criminal matters to free up sworn officers. Although, if they laid off half of the force, they may not have the money to expand or create such a program.

I hope there are exceptions for special circumstances, for example if a driver is believed to be intox. I don't agree with not responding to cold larcenies though. That is still a crime and should still get some law enforcement response. A better soultion would be to do like some departments in California and Florida do and have non-sworn personnel (often called Community Service Officers or Police Service Aides/Assistants) respond to take the report. Leaving it up to a civilian to take their own photos, etc. could have very bad results in court.

In one of the other threads, it said something like 150 ERS alarms a year turn out to be working fires. How many ERS alarms are for other types of incidents (other fires, smoke conditions, smell of gas, medical calls, MVA's etc. )? Also, if these are the boxes I'm thinking of, with the two buttons, one for FD and one for PD, how many police calls does the city get from these boxes?

Orange and Ulster counties have announced filing for the Police Officer/Deputy Sheriff exam to be given on 11/14/2009. www.orangecountygov.com www.co.ulster.ny.us

It seems like there are a lot of calls where the callers don't provide, and apparently aren't asked for, critical information. Just some examples (most are police calls) - Erratic Operator calls with an unknown vehicle description, unknown license plate, and unknown direction of travel - Suspicious Person calls with unknown description, unknown direction of travel, and half of the time unknown reason as to why they are suspicious (ie. suspicious male walking on the sidewalk near the callers house carrying a shopping bag- ACTUAL CALL to a city PD) - MVA's called in first or second party with unknown number of vehicles and unknown what type of MVA When calls like this happen, do you think that it is more the case that the caller doesn't provide the information, or is it that the call taker doesn't ask for it, and what do you think can be done to correct it?

Orange County Sheriff's Marine 80 I also believe can be launched in an emergency at any time of year. Although I can't imagine the ETA would be too favorable.

According to City of Newburgh PD it was all a bunch of hype. They said that the schools decided to close without input from the PD and the only school related violence were minor fist fights. Who knows the actual story.

Don't we already have something like that in the US Coast Guard and Coast Guard Auxiliary? Although from what I'm hearing the USCG is spread thin and the Auxiliary is much like the NYPD Auxiliary (visible presence, observe and report type stuff) and doesn't/are not authorized to go really "hands on".

And because the parents don't care, this closing of the schools will do absolutley nothing except move the location of whatever problem that was going to occur. How many of these kids, or even parents of these ids are going to say "Maybe I [you] should stay home today and calm down a bit." I doubt very many, and the ones that do are the kids that wouldn't have caused any problems anyway.

OCSO does have part-timers, but they are all retired, either from OCSO or from NYPD. Village of Florida has 1 FT and the rest are PT Town of Warwick has 4 PT, but I believe the chief said they will not be hiring any new part-timers, only replacing ones that leave Village of Greenwood Lake has PT, but I don't know the details Town and Village of Goshen have PT, don't know how many Town of Chester has PT, but I believe they require 2 years of experience Town of Mount Hope has PT, I believe all of them are, but I'm not sure on that Thats all that I know of for sure, but there are probably others as well.

Technically the civil service list is not needed to hire part time officers, however, departments sometimes offer part time positons to candidates on the list if there are no full time positions available.

http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100108/COMM/1080333/-1/NEWS

For this particular incident, I also wonder if there were simply no police available. Between the accident itself (DWI related) and the fact that it occured on the week before Christmas in the major shopping town in Orange County, it is concievable at least, that there were no other police units available.

Why have fire police at all if they are not going to do traffic control?

The marine patrol deputies from the Orange County Sheriff's Office ("Marine 80") are all USCG certified, and all are EMT's. In addition they must pass a physical fitness and swimming qualification each year.

Depends on who it was. If it was a fire chief or assistant chief, or the chief officer of an ambulance corps, or an EMT whose vehicle is DOH certified as a fly car, than no it is not illegal.

What is "Village of Goshen PD or the Orange County Sheriffs"

This has to be one of the worst written articles I've ever seen. "Officials from the department said calls to that department were being rerouted..." Officials from which department, Town of Goshen Police or Orange 911? However, it does not sound like actual 911 calls got rerouted. When Town of Goshen Police has no one in the station, calls on the seven digit number ring down into the 911 center. It sounds like those were the calls that were getting rerouted.

Date: 12/31/2009 Time: 15:44 Location: 6 State Route 42 (Tri-State Transmission) Frequency: 154.205, 46.16 Units Operating: Sparrowbush Fire Department Full Response, Port Jervis Fire Department Full Response, Hugenot Fire Department ( Ta-813), Matamoras PA Fire (FAST Team 32-R-1 and Tanker), Westfall ( 39-Tanker), Cubbebackville ( Tanker Ta-800), Lumberland (1 Engine to Fill Site), Forestburgh (Tanker 66-21 to Sparrowbush Station 1 ), Orange and Rockland, Greeville ( Ladder T-700 to Port Jervis), Otisville ( Engine E-142 to Port Jervis Station 1 ), Montague (Engine-1 to Grandview Hydrant), Howells (Tanker Ta-112 ,to Hugenot Station), Milford (33-E-1 to Port Jervis, backfill for Montague) 36-3, 36-17, 36-18, 36-19, 36-108, 36-110, 36-111 Weather Conditions: Description Of Incident: Working Structure Fire, at one time stated possible entrapment, believes negative Reporters: Writer: v85

Date:12/31/2009 Time: Appx. 1030 Location: 791 Pulaski Highway Frequency: 46.160, 153.860, 158.280, 155.850 Units Operating: Florida Fire Department and EMS, Pine Island Fire Department, Orange County Haz-Mat Team, Warwick Police Department, T/Goshen Police Department, New York State Police Commerical Vehicle Enforcement Unit, Regional EMS ALS, EMS-5, Mobile Life Special Operations Response Team (SORT-1) Weather Conditions: Cold, Snowy, Ice on Roadways Description Of Incident: Propane Truck Rollover with Entrapment, truck is leaking propane Reporters: Writer: v85 Propane Truck rolled over with contents spill and driver entrapped. Haz-Mat team en route. Driver extricated and transported by EMS. 11:33 : Coordinator All-Call sounded for a Fire Coordianator to respond to scene 11: 36: Coordinator 36-16 en Route

Another thing that many people don't realize is that when multiple crimes are committed in a single incident, only the most serious one is counted, and it is only counted once. So it is possible that at some of these active shooter incidents where there is multiple homicides, it only counts as one in the statsitics. Long story short is I don't trust those numbers to be totally accurate.

I think the question, at least legally, would then become does the fact that they were in EMT/Medic uniforms and employees of the FDNY satisfy the "role expectation" and "participation with an agency..." wording. I don't know the answer because I am not a lawyer, but on the face of it, this case feels very different than a case where a medic was off duty and driving on vacation with his children and decided not to stop at an MVA, a case where the medic is clearly not participating with an agency having jurisdiction and thus has no binding job description or role expectation. What do you think?