FiftyOnePride

Date: 12.3.11 Time: ~1900hours Location: 557 Frequency: 155.1072 (Dispatch), 155.1225 (Command), 155.8275 (Scene 5), 154.3475 (Ops Repeater), 158.400 (Fireground) Units Operating: New Hartford, Barkhamsted, Pleasant Valley, Nepaug, Riverton, Pine Meadow, New Winsted Weather Conditions: 30 Degrees, Dark Description Of Incident: Caller stated that he started a fire in the chimney and then proceeded to witness flames shooting up the outside of the chimney. Reporters: 51Pride Writer: 51Pride 1908hrs - Unit on scene with heavy smoke from a 2.5 story wood structure. 1909hrs - New Hartford Car 2 O.S. 1910hrs - New Hartford Engine 2 O.S. 1913hrs - New Hartford Command - Requesting CLP and nearest water source. LCD advises CLP notified at time of dispatch and gave location of nearest water source. 1914hrs - New Hartford Rescue 6 E.R. 1915hrs - Pleasant Valley Engine 1 E.R. 1918hrs - Riverton Tanker 4 O.S. 1919hrs - Pine Meadow Engine 1 O.S. 1919hrs - New Hartford Rescue 6 O.S. 1922hrs - New Winsted to the scene for R.I.T. Operations 1923hrs - Pleasant Valley Engine 1 O.S.

Date: 10.12.2011 Time: 2338hrs - 0146hrs. Location: 21 Old Post Road #1, X-Streets: Winchell Mountain Road and Flood Lane. Frequency: Dispatch, Response, Command 3, FG 13 En Route, FG 14 On Scene Units Operating: Millerton: 51-11, 51-31, 51-14, 51-51, 51-72. NDP: 70. Lakeville: 30, 400. Sharon: Tower 1. Weather Conditions: 50's, Rain. Description Of Incident: Structure fire in a trailer with renovations and additions. Electrical fire that spread to the attic of the original structure, and then into the crawl space for the addition. Fire was K/O with minimal damage beyond a 10 foot radius from the origin point in an electrical panel. Reporters: 51Pride Writer: 51Pride

We use the M40 Multi-Gas Detector. Meters 02, LEL, H2S, and CO, this came on recommendation from Mount Vernon. Great meter, easy to calibrate, have not had an issue yet. Comes with a multitude of clips for almost any application. Rugged and easy to use. Price is in the ~$700-$800 range. Well worth it, we budgeted for a second one next year.

Not totally on topic, but in the scope, interesting read... Linky

From what I am told the ladder is quite the beast, the decking around the turntable is quite thick and the outriggers span out quite a bit. But either way congrats to the Jakes in Mount Vernon!

You never know where these people are working on their plans, our area is as we know very accessibly to the greater city area and the city itself so like aforementioned keep this in the back of your head for now guys.

Date:09.06.11 Time: 2338hrs Location: 36 Debra Court. X Street: Haviland Road Frequency: Dispatch, Response, Command 3 Units Operating: Roosevelt Stations 3, 2, 1, Mobile Life with an ALS Unit, Fairview, Hyde Park, Staatsburg, Pleasant Valley Weather Conditions: Rain, Upper 50's Description Of Incident: Reported Trailer Fire in the Haviland Trailer Park, original dispatch stated possible persons still inside the trailer. Reporters: Writer: FiftyOnePride 2338hrs: First Dispatch, Persons Possibly Still Inside 2341hrs: Mobile Life with an ALS unit to assist 2342hrs: Possible transmission that all persons are accounted for (Did not copy identifier on progress report). 2345hrs: Second Alarm of Fire - Fairview One Engine Under M.A., Hyde Park One Engine .M.A., Staatsburg 64-12 to relocated to Station 3, Pleasant Valley 56-11to relocate to Station 2 2352hrs: Fire K.D., equipment coming in can hold. 2356hrs: 2nd Dispatch for Pleasant Valley 56-11 to relocate. Engine is driver awaiting a crew. 0001hrs: Dutchess County Fire Investigation Division to Respond 0005hrs: Command Requesting Fire Inspector to the Scene 0017hrs: Second Dispatch for FID.

I am interested in hearing a few different things, so let us dive in.. How are you training Forcible Entry? If you are using a prop, how did you come about it? If you made it how easy was it to make? How are you backing up the how you force with why you are forcing as such? If you are not using a prop, how are you effectively communicating the skills without the hands on? Mimicking the force used on doors around the firehouse? Movies? Etc. I am curious to see what methodology TO's are using to teach this skill which I think sometimes goes by the wayside in companies not frequently utilizing it, and naturally in those that do it every day. Thanks for all of your responses and discussion before this gets started, and please post pictures if you have them!

Thank you to everyone for your answers, I wanted to get an idea of what everyone else was doing. I see that there is quite a diverse set of solutions to this, and I like that everyone is doing hands on. Thanks again everyone, you have helped me in what I needed to accomplish.

From what I understand on FE the bottles integrate with existing harnesses. I am curious to see what matches up to what but that is what I read on FE. I just priced 4.5 bottles at way less than 1k a piece.

Lower profile, lighter weight, just as safe? Count me in.

We stripped all struts, air bags, and cribbing from the rescues of Millerton, Amenia, Wassaic, and Stanford. We had Millbrook en route but realized we were in a good point before they arrived. Pallets were a small part of the cribbing at first due to the lack of anything else. They did wind up playing a small roll however.

Felt in parts of Millerton, mainly along the business district in a straight line. No damage but we were a rockin'.

Thank you Seth for posting about the anti-negativity campaign. I am going to refrain from commenting on what has transpired on this thread since the last time I was one to read it because Mark went against his better judgment to post these pictures on here so we could talk about a unique scenario (thanks Mark), and someone had to mount the QB chair this fine Monday to pick apart PT issues. The Medics and EMS personnel on scene have enough crust on their EMS gear for me to trust whatever treatment they executed, and that is the bottom line. The pictures give no one enough basis for any claims otherwise. I want to again thank those who were there or involved in any way shape or form, a late thanks to the Medivac crew who was on standby for a portion of the call. And a big thank you to those who have contributed positively and constructively to this thread.

Of course, they are the unsung helpers in a lot of cases.

As the Second Asst. Chief of the Millerton Fire Company, we would like to thank all the fire companies that were involved in the mitigation of today's incident whether it was standby duty at another firehouse or directly involved in the actual extrication. So a big thanks to the Amenia, Wassaic, Stanford, Millbrook, Dover, and Lakeville fire companies. Also a tip of the lid to CC-14, CC-16, DCSO, NYSP, and the cattle farmers who were there to assist with the cows: all provided invaluable assistance. This was a particularly tough extrication all around, because not only was it an auto accident with entrapment but it also basically a simpler man in the machine type scenario, the two fused together to make one interesting call. I was first on scene and was able to take it all in before the organized chaos ensued. A flatbed truck driven straight underneath 5-tons of machinery. All the stability was taken away from the hopper and transferred to the building and the vehicle itself. The driver was encapsulated basically but unharmed. Literally just in his seat, no way to move one way or the other. As you can imagine by the photos stabilization was the biggest issue which is why a multitude of rescues were brought in, for their cribbing alone, but also for air bags and the other specialty equipment they could provide. Once that was accomplished the actual extrication was easy. As you can tell in the photo slide we removed a back rack and the rear part of the passengers cab and the driver was able to self extricate basically from that point. All involved stated that this was one that you could not really train for, and despite its many challenges I can say that I am proud of the outcome and way in which the incident was mitigated.

Exactly. Well said!

There is a better chance for a kink, but utilizing the same thoroughness for dropping and advancing a hose line, and the use of a back-up or third man will take care of those issues. I personally have never had it be that much of a problem, although it can be.

This board is not the place to convert jakes into foam lovers, I can rehash many fires that I was personally involved in its mitigation, and the effective use of CAFS, and many others where I was not present and it made all the difference. I can even recall a few fires where it did not work as intended. Bottom line is real-life time on the nozzle of a CAFS line or at a fire where it is used is the way to really understand this tool. I also think that CAFS as an excuse to reduce manpower and staffing for the purposes of the overall bottom line is a bastardization of the whole concept. Yes a line charged with foam is much lighter and takes a man or two less to maneuver around. But bottom line is it is the men and women who put these tools to use to mitigate any hazard, not a concept such as foam, or the fit-5. I dislike that. The video posted where the fire seemingly increases in velocity at the initial burst, the foam appears to be extremely dry, more so then it should be, and yes, they hit really low. I don't know the % they used or the story around it, I literally fast forwarded to the 5 minute mark to watch what you posted. Either way, I like how some have summed things up. This is a tool that my department and many others in our immediately mutual aid area use. Other departments nearby love Fit-5's. Some live big water and the ladders that push them. Every department has a culture and set of tactics that have worked effectively for them. I choose not to worry about what any other department does unless they are operating at my incident. We are going to keep using our foam because it has proven to us time and time again the property it can save and rapid deceleration it can bring to almost any fire.

My department has been using foam for quite a few years now, one of the original in the area from what I told (Mid-90's). Our brand new 51-11 which came to us last year has a very modern CAFS system. We by our own tradition are huge CAFS fans, it has great potential when proportioned and used properly. There are many instances when foam may not be the best choice right out of the gate or at all, but the majority of incidents can be mitigated faster and more efficiently using foam. An example of both.. Our last barn fire on route 22, big fire, loss of roof early in the incident (2-3 minutes after IC and first-in units arrived), the old adage proved true for that fire: "Big fire, big water." CAFS does not have the same capability to be launched as far as straight water can. My first structure fire, chimney fire with extension, heavy fire in the attic. A CAFS line to the attic access quickly knocked down all fire that had extended from the chimney in the matter of a minute or two. Like anything else, CAFS is another tool in your bag. While it has a multitude of applications, it is not always perfect for every situation. The same can be said for water in hazardous materials fires, etc. Everything has its limitations. CAFS just gets a really bad rap in my mind because it is an affront to the very core of the actionable end of the fire service, water!

Millerton Fire Company FB We utilize our page to not only promote events that the fire company is participating in, but also to spread information regarding fire safety and other safety related topics. One of the more visible public relations fronts that our department uses, and I think to our advantage.

Didn't this pavilion catch once before?

I agree, too bad this was an attack engine however. From what was being relayed to me at our standby point this fire was threatening homes. The winds that day were light but persistent, easy chance for this fire to have grown to a much larger capacity than it did in the first place.

Thanks Ed for sharing these on here. Great shots!

Date: 3.19.2011 Time: 1446hrs Location: 5378 Route 22 (Cross streets: Haight Road and Perry's Corners) Frequency: Dispatch, Response, Command 3, FG 13/14, MFC 51, Amenia 31 Units Operating: Millerton All Equipment, Amenia All Equipment, Sharon All Equipment, CC14, CC9, Wassaic 69-31, Lakeville Engine 10/20/60, NDP, Cornwall's Tanker, Canaan's Tanker. Millbrook and Pine Plains M/A for standby in Amenia and Millerton Quarters. Weather Conditions: 40's, Windy, Sunny. Description Of Incident: Grassfire that quickly extended to a 150x70 foot dilapidated barn. Excess winds quickly caused the fire to consume the whole barn and start a grass fire behind the structure for approximately 3 acres burned. By the time units had setup the barn's roof had already collapsed. Handlines were immediately put into use, and after the outlying fires were contained a tanker shuttle was setup too feed Sharon's Tower 1 to get over the block walls that were still standing into the barns structure. Four silos were adjacent to the barn as well as three other barn type structures, none of the exposures were compromised by fire. Two draft sites were setup on Sharon Station Road and Coleman Station Road, the tankers were split up into two groups that had assigned fill sites. The ladder was able to operate successfully with a continuous water source from the rotating tankers. Millerton and Amenia returned today (3.20) for one silo that a very small amount of silage that was smoldering. Reporter/Writer: FiftyOnePride Note: Pictures can be found on Ed Harvey's website (LINK)