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Thank you FFNick. Just as an FYI, where do you think I got my info/pictures?? The Secret List. Lets hope that I can spread my knowledge along with theirs/their message!!

Thank you for seeing the ultimate light at the end of my post!!! The message appears to have not fallen only upon deaf ears!!! My mission this year, is to pass on to everyone I can, all the information I have learned, what little that may be, sometimes, it takes an unbiased eye to sit back, and eye things over!!! Thank you for having some faith in me guys!!

Thank you. You beat me to saying exactly what I was going to say. Nowhere were there any images of any dead bodies, the person/people involved. There is merely a picture of an apparatus set up in a precarious position, that fit in with the topic on hand. I find it repulsive that I be called names for trying to bring attention to safety issues that might help save another brothers life! Also no, I have NOT been at a fire where a brother has been killed, and I may not have as much experience as many other people on here, but you know, I find myself to be lucky I haven't had to go through that, and keep it in my mind, to try and prevent such things!

I guess I am a heartless tasteless SOB. When I posted the same sort of thing about the FF/EMT from Empire who perished (discussions about 24+ hour shifts for EMS agencies posted the next day), I said it should have waited, and yet I was told that it was not too early to be discussing it. So here we are, me being the one to say its too early to talk about a LODD issue, and now I am the one being accused of being tasteless, and insensitive. Damned if I do, damned if I don't. Wheres the line????

Its obviously for when flooding occurs!! I mean, they say nothing stop the US Mail, right???

The law is just the beginning. From there can always stem civil suits. At least once it is established that a violation of the law occurred, and if someone gets injured for killed from such actions, civil actions are sure to ensue. Look at NFPA 1403 and Lairdsville! I do agree that what happened after Charleston is an atrocity, and an embarrassment, in my eyes, to the sacrifices made!!

Thank you for that clarification. I had not heard that update until you mentioned it!!

Not to worry. I am happy this topic is going somewhere other than just the normal BS sessions some end up as. This is, as you said, a healthy, informative conversation. NYS PESH is OSHA, just specific to NYS. They are a division of the NYS Dept. of Labor. OSHA allowed states to either let them be the safety ones, or for the states to run their own 'version'. PESH takes all OSHA standards, and can only make them MORE stringent. THey enforce all OSHA laws, some as OSHA states, some a little bit more intensely.

OSHA is federal government. How can BFD not fall under their jurisdiction? I am not looking to make enemies here. My main points are to bring awareness to these problems of complacency. Think about the brother in Scranton. A terrible loss to our most noble of professions. A 26 year veteran, and yet all it takes is complacency, and/or one moment of not thinking, and look what happens! Its the attitude of "I do what I have to do, to hell with the consequences", and "It'll never happen to me". 9 days into 2008 and we're already at 5 LODDs.

Ok, I think the point you are missing is this. OSHA = THE LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Again, more of those "universal precautions", as with driving. Like the Speed Limit, is law also. And what happens if a cop pulls you over for speeding, and breaking the law. Will you argue the statistics, and pull out your calculator telling him the percentage of accidents per capita or other technical mumbo jumbo? As the cop laughs, hands you the ticket, and walks back to his cruiser.

No problem. I felt bad for hijacking it going in the wrong direction. The way I see it, if you are not a telephone/cable/electrician, you are not qualified to be that close to any overhead wires!!

And who is to say that somehow, somewhere close by, one line did not fall and cross with another, and energize it to a higher voltage? Its called universal precautions, and common sense guys.

Psssst....check out the posting directly above yours!!

There is aggressive placement, then there is dangerous!!! Just remember, OSHA says 10 feet minimum distance from ANY WIRES!!! Below is a picture of the setup where the Scranton PA captain died. Remember, he died from electrocution, not because the aerial came into contact with lines, but because the power arc-ed!! This is not a Monday morning quarterback, or a bashing of anyone/any department, its just a reminder to BE SAFE OUT THERE!!!! Your best tool on a fireground is your head!!!

So I am sure you will get a barrage of questions about this. What happened?? I was going through withdrawal, not having my fix of EMTBravo. Spent my whole day sick in bed, and was saddened I was not able to get on!! We still love you Seth! (as I am sure it was not your fault)

Lol, so eloquently put!! Do keep in mid though, this is a general statement, not just specific to Westchester. EMS doesn't tend to make a whole lot of anything in most places.

Ninja firefighters!! Dark so we are less visible at night!!

As of Jan. 8, it will be 3 years I have been here, and I am happy to be a part of this forum!! Always very informative threads going on, and a tasteful amount of humor to lighten the day. Heres to you Seth, for all your hard work!

Man, wish I had seen this the other day and known ahead of time!!

Yet another example of our society's moral decline!!!

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm .....

Agreed!! Now if only there was something to apply them too **pondering**

Seth????? Seth who????