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I recommend the two of you take this to a PM discussion, and resume the conversation when the answers have been reached. This bickering back and forth is unprofessional on both sides, especially for those who don't care to reveal their true identity, or affiliation(s). If you can come to a conclusion, please post the answers in here, but aside from that, the back and forth bickering ends here.

All replies that were referring to Firefighters under the age of 18 were split into a new topic: http://www.emtbravo.net/index.php?showtopic=36021

This is where this gets interesting, because according to OSHA and PESH (for NYS), volunteers ARE considered employees, if I am not mistaken.

What are the specs (tank size, pump if one)?

I never once said/implied/intended for people to feel that ONLY 2 people were needed to staff the "2 Out" positions. That is the bare minimum that is required, and, is what is the minimum required to conduct the interior structural firefighting operations. Until an established "Team" can be supplied, those 2 spots have to be filled. My point being that, although a delay in getting a full dedicated "team" of greater manpower to be a RIT or FAST, you still need those "2 Out" to be staffed, and, they can come from anywhere (including members of the initial department). I fully believe in the FAST/RIT usage, I was merely trying to relate that in Dutchess County (specifically), what constitutes, in their CAD, who has a FAST, and who, when specially called by a department, with send their "FASTeam??? Also, I never said there is "no technical requirement for a FAST/RIT", it just doesn't use those terms by name, but again, I DO believe in their usage (and used to be a member of a dedicated, County recognized one in my previous FD). I think you misinterpreted my line of thinking, and my intent was not as clearly expressed as I had thought/intended it to be. I guess I won't be posting @ 0100hrs anymore...

Beacon had Pleasant Valley on standby during the major incidents of multiple collapses over this past storm. I am unsure if it was related at all to lack of water from the mains due to an interruption, or more for just the guaranteed presence of a finite amount of water, hopefully someone from the Southern end can clarify. I personally did not know about New Hamburg having a FAST, but it comes down to who deems who to have an official recognized FASTeam (at least specific to Dutchess Co.)? I have heard Arlington having been dispatched with their FAST to the City of Pok on several occasions, although it is usually a 2nd due FAST after Fairview, unless there are multiple 2nd+ Alarm assignments going on in the City. If an IC requests a FASTeam (in Dutchess), DC911 will dispatch what, in their CAD, is considered a FAST, unless a specifically requested department is requested with their "FASTeam". So again, it comes down to, if an IC requests a "FAST", and they know that the ones they plan on calling wouldn't be the one dispatched by 911, they specifically request whoever they want. Going back to my original question, what is it they lack that they are not in the CAD as an 'official' FASTeam? Besides, it would be funny to think/assume that a career/combination department wouldn't have a FAST (or enough people trained to supply an adequately staffed/trained one). Also, keep in mind that a FASTeam is not required (at least by name) by any regulation or standard out there. OSHA 1910.134 (Respiratory Protection Standard) requires such that: Source: http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_id=12716&p_table=standards So therefore, by name, a 'FASTeam', or 'RIT', or whatever name you refer to it by, is not required (again, being referred to as anything in particular), so long as AT LEAST 2 members are staffed outside an IDLH (atmosphere that is Immediately Dangerous to Life or Health) for any rescue effort. This team can be from the same department as the interior team, or from 2 counties away (yes, I obviously know how ridiculous that seems [and is], it is just an example), but so long as they are trained, and equipped, and prepared properly, that is what matters (as far as legalities go). The other way to look at it (referring to a previous thread '4 in 4 or 20 in 10?' [at least the concept]), would you rather have 2 available in 5 minutes, or wait the 20+ minutes for a dedicated team???? Just some food for though....

As others have said before, (IMHO), you do what is best for the patient. It is easier to defend an "out of the box" method, than to have to answer to an inquisition as to why transport was delayed (or at least so I would think). Think how either answer would start: Unconventional method: "Well, while not a DoH approved ambulance, I felt it was in the patient's best interest, to increase survivability, I..." Sitting and waiting: "Well, there wasn't an ambulance available, and I thought that it would be illegal to transport a patient in anything other than a DoH approved vehicle"

East Fishkill FD utilizes it's HQ building as an EOC similar to the DC911 one, key word, 'similar'. They set up the meeting room with several mobile radios (pre-installed wiring and antennas), so it is a plug and go kind of operation. This set-up is specific to EF town, and there is the availability, IIRC, for EF DPW, EFPD, EFFD, and the Town Supervisor (or designee) to all sit together and get the correct resources where they need to go/be. If this is inaccurate, someone please correct me, I guess in my delusional mind, this is what I thought!

Several towns in Southern Dutchess Declaring a State of Emergency Beacon/Chelsea/Glenham areas with multiple collapses I-84 shut down Please post any specifics, or generic numbers below.

Well said x129K. One could ask the same reason why East Fishkill's TL was called to s/b @ Arlington during the HRPC fire. Or for that matter, why did the NYS Task Force 2 (USAR Team) go down to Louisiana after Hurricane Katrina?? So that all "immediately close" resources were not stripped.

Well, unfortunately, my parents always seem to be on "the end of the line" for getting power back up, and they're expecting probably late Saturday, or Sunday.

My parents still live in EF, and they are snowbound. Trees down all along their road, plows can't get in due to the trees, they lost power last night around 2300hrs, and aren't sure if they will have enough gas for their generator with the expected duration of the outage.

Shhhhhh... don't mention FD consolidation around here, you'll get people up in arms!!!

Is it "unprofessional" for the fire service to block "extra" lanes for a safety buffer @ accident scenes? Please define how this practice by the tow companies is 'unprofessional'. Also, an "outdated technique", what change/fix what isn't broken? If it's a tried and true method, why not use it?

And... IIRC, that same article stated that LI has more fire apparatus cumulatively than FDNY, LA City FD, and LA Co FD combined... interesting look at things...

Just my humble suggestion guys and gals, if you so feel that this topic has past it's pinnacle, I recommend hitting the "Report" button, or PMing a Moderator or Admin. Wouldn't want to get accused of closing down a topic and "over-moderating" or "censorship"... Not that THAT would ever happen in these forums... I think that all the major points have been hit on. To sum it up; -Yes, parades promote 'friendly' competition, bonding time, and hopefully good friendly times. -Can/do staffing issues arise due to this? Sure. -Are some pre-existing staffing issues just exacerbated by this? Sure. -Will this issue be solved any time soon? Probably not. -Does the thread Op bring up valid points? Yes. -Does this thread REALLY need to have the same things said over and over again (from this point out)? Answer the poll to give your opinion... As a PS, it is typically at the OP's request that a thread would get shut down automatically (since it it "their thread"), but I am sure if the consensus is such, then it could be closed. Just my humble $0.02

Haha, Anthony's a good egg!!

Looks like it would/could be used to run hoses/ropes over a surface to prevent them from contacting it and damaging them (i.e. a 90* angle/edge), or to just get them up off of the ground. Just my thought...

Agreed, I as well was very impressed (not so much surprised though) at the professionalism, and quick action by DC911 to recognize, and convey the urgent message by the interior team, to check with command if it was heard, and to then set in motion the potentially life saving actions that followed. When that message was heard, and other units tried contacting command (on the fireground frequency), DC911 stepped in, asking for radio silence on that frequency, and, checking back with command after the Evacuation Tones were put out, to make sure that contact had been made with the interior crew. I have heard said in the past that the DC911 center was used as a model for other 911 centers, either being overhauled, or converted to 911 from previous systems, and this just goes to show why!

I'm down for the Droid app!!

Topic brought up once before: EMTBravo - 2011 Chevrolet Caprice PPV - For PDs Only Please refer back to the original thread for additional comments/discussion.

Well, with all situations being different, aerial devices do not always only get used for vertical reach, but many times horizontal reach. With a midship mount, you can attain "maximum horizontal reach" only from 2 locations, off either side. A rearmount can attain "max horizontal reach" off 3 locations, either side, as well as off the rear. Also, to attain maximum horizontal reach off a midmount, you have the entire length of the vehicle limiting the space you can get into, whereas a rearmount can back in to tighter spaces, and reach out further. Yes, I realize you can back/drive straight in, a midmount and operate off the front or the back, but you do lose some degree of reach. While operating at "below-grade"; A midship mount can only attain that off 2 sides, a reamount, off 3.

Whelen carries a 5 year warranty from date of manufacture, look on the sticker on teh back of the light, and it SHOULD have that date on there. If you do that, you can void the above mentioned warranty.

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Well said Chief, and I agree 100%. As was said earlier, it is risk vs. benefit, and in my eyes, the amount of resources and risks put forth for this, was seeming excessive, and unnecessary...