Bugler83

Let's be perfectly clear about this: the so called "logistical mess" was confined to the Westchester side of things last night.
 
So the incident was going on for approx 45 mins before other Westchester agencies were dispatched.  And Westchester was the mess? Verplank was the only Westchester agency on the initial dispatch and they were dispatch by 60 Control. I'm failing to see what was wrong there.
 
Rockland units (Sheriff's marine unit, Stony Point FD marine unit, EMS on land) were all coordinated very well through 44-Control on Rockland's trunked system, including all involved agencies in direct communication on the Interop 1 talkgroup when necessary.  The Sheriff's marine unit was in constant contact with Coast Guard Sector NY on Marine 16, and also had direct contact with the tugboat.  They were also the first unit to board the vessel to provide aid. Stony Point's fire chief and marine unit were in direct and constant contact with the Sheriff's marine unit.
 
Notwithstanding the fact that the location was initially mis-reported and it took some time for the correct location to be determined (it happens, especially at night on the river), there were no issues otherwise with the Rockland side of things.
 
Then why call in Westchester?
 
Note that this incident was on the Rockland shore, and that 44-Control notified 60-Control more or less as a courtesy than anything else.  Somehow, that turned into 60-Control dispatching just about every fire dept marine unit in the county, along with the WCPD marine unit.
 
44 Control requested Westchester to Dispatch Verplank. It wasn't until approx 45 mins later that everyone else was dispatched to help find the "missing tugboat". You forget that someone was in distress? 
 
Perhaps the real issue here is that it appears that Westchester units are allowed to self-dispatch, with no one actually managing resources. That does not happen in Rockland.  If 44-Control doesn't dispatch you, then you do not respond, plain and simple.
 
Not sure where you get your information but you should research more.
 
 
 
I was monitoring Fire 10 on the Westchester trunked system, and it was painful. You have a fire chief assuming command on the opposite shore 5 miles away from the actual incident? Really?
 
Yes there should be a IC on both sides of the river when multiple agencies are working the incident. Are you joking me?
 
Next time maybe Rockland doesn't bother to notify Westchester at all when the incident is on the Rockland shore. If garbage like last night is the norm for Westchester, and no one can control the response, then just stay home. 
 
Hey instead of trying to Monday morning QB this why don't you be part of a solution instead of the problem.  
 
 
 
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Let's be perfectly clear about this: the so called "logistical mess" was confined to the Westchester side of things last night.
 
So the incident was going on for approx 45 mins before other Westchester agencies were dispatched.  And Westchester was the mess? Verplank was the only Westchester agency on the initial dispatch and they were dispatch by 60 Control. I'm failing to see what was wrong there.
 
Rockland units (Sheriff's marine unit, Stony Point FD marine unit, EMS on land) were all coordinated very well through 44-Control on Rockland's trunked system, including all involved agencies in direct communication on the Interop 1 talkgroup when necessary.  The Sheriff's marine unit was in constant contact with Coast Guard Sector NY on Marine 16, and also had direct contact with the tugboat.  They were also the first unit to board the vessel to provide aid. Stony Point's fire chief and marine unit were in direct and constant contact with the Sheriff's marine unit.
 
Notwithstanding the fact that the location was initially mis-reported and it took some time for the correct location to be determined (it happens, especially at night on the river), there were no issues otherwise with the Rockland side of things.
 
Then why call in Westchester?
 
Note that this incident was on the Rockland shore, and that 44-Control notified 60-Control more or less as a courtesy than anything else.  Somehow, that turned into 60-Control dispatching just about every fire dept marine unit in the county, along with the WCPD marine unit.
 
44 Control requested Westchester to Dispatch Verplank. It wasn't until approx 45 mins later that everyone else was dispatched to help find the "missing tugboat". You forget that someone was in distress? 
 
Perhaps the real issue here is that it appears that Westchester units are allowed to self-dispatch, with no one actually managing resources. That does not happen in Rockland.  If 44-Control doesn't dispatch you, then you do not respond, plain and simple.
 
Not sure where you get your information but you should research more.
 
 
 
I was monitoring Fire 10 on the Westchester trunked system, and it was painful. You have a fire chief assuming command on the opposite shore 5 miles away from the actual incident? Really?
 
Yes there should be a IC on both sides of the river when multiple agencies are working the incident. Are you joking me?
 
Next time maybe Rockland doesn't bother to notify Westchester at all when the incident is on the Rockland shore. If garbage like last night is the norm for Westchester, and no one can control the response, then just stay home. 
 
Hey instead of trying to Monday morning QB this why don't you be part of a solution instead of the problem.  
 
 
 
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Heres what I know of as of now
Saturday, May 18
Hughsonville
Hughsonville 100th Anniv
3:00
Sunday, May 19
Verplanck
Armed Forces Day
TBA
Sunday, May 26
Hastings
Memorial Day Parade
2:00
Monday, May 27
Tarrytown
Memorial Day Parade
8:00
Monday, May 27
Irvington
Memorial Day Parade
10:00
Friday, May 31
Pleasantville
Annual Parade
6:00
Wednesday, June 5
Katonah
Annual Parade
6:00
Saturday, June 8
Montrose
Annual Parade
5:00
Saturday, June 23
Glens Falls
HVVFA Convention
11:00
Wednesday, June 26
Yorktown
Annual Parade
6:00
Thursday, July 4
Peekskill
Annual Parade
8:30
Thursday, July 11
Mahopac
Annual Parade
6:00
Friday, July 12
Mt. Kisco
Annual Parade
6:00
Saturday, July 13
Millbrook
Annual Parade
5:00
Wednesday, July 24
Brewster
Annual Parade
6:00
Friday, July 26
Bedford Village
Annual Parade
6:00
Sunday, July 28
George’s Island
Town of Cortlandt Day
PICNIC Georges Island
2:00
Friday, August 2
Ossining
Annual Parade
6:00
Saturday, August 10
Freeport, LI
Annual Parade
TBA
Saturday, Sept. 7
Catskill
Green County Conv.
12:00
Sunday, Sept. 22
Port Chester
Westchester County Con
1:00
Saturday, Sept 28
Highland Falls
Orange County Conv.
1:00
Saturday, October 5
Nyack
150th Anniversary Parade
TBA

Heres what I know of as of now
Saturday, May 18
Hughsonville
Hughsonville 100th Anniv
3:00
Sunday, May 19
Verplanck
Armed Forces Day
TBA
Sunday, May 26
Hastings
Memorial Day Parade
2:00
Monday, May 27
Tarrytown
Memorial Day Parade
8:00
Monday, May 27
Irvington
Memorial Day Parade
10:00
Friday, May 31
Pleasantville
Annual Parade
6:00
Wednesday, June 5
Katonah
Annual Parade
6:00
Saturday, June 8
Montrose
Annual Parade
5:00
Saturday, June 23
Glens Falls
HVVFA Convention
11:00
Wednesday, June 26
Yorktown
Annual Parade
6:00
Thursday, July 4
Peekskill
Annual Parade
8:30
Thursday, July 11
Mahopac
Annual Parade
6:00
Friday, July 12
Mt. Kisco
Annual Parade
6:00
Saturday, July 13
Millbrook
Annual Parade
5:00
Wednesday, July 24
Brewster
Annual Parade
6:00
Friday, July 26
Bedford Village
Annual Parade
6:00
Sunday, July 28
George’s Island
Town of Cortlandt Day
PICNIC Georges Island
2:00
Friday, August 2
Ossining
Annual Parade
6:00
Saturday, August 10
Freeport, LI
Annual Parade
TBA
Saturday, Sept. 7
Catskill
Green County Conv.
12:00
Sunday, Sept. 22
Port Chester
Westchester County Con
1:00
Saturday, Sept 28
Highland Falls
Orange County Conv.
1:00
Saturday, October 5
Nyack
150th Anniversary Parade
TBA

Look I am not here for a dick mesuring contest. I will leave that upto the people that like to do that. I saw a statement that bothered me and I spoke up about it because its total BS. I dont ever speak up on here. This time however I felt I needed to. This Career Vs Vollie crap is for the birds, were all here to do a job and all you boys can do is talk about whose better than the other. Heres a clue get off your high horse and work together instead of against. I never seen such nonsense from people that are suppose to be helping others. Dont worry I wont speak out again since its seems to get no where with some of you. BTW heres what I had the problem with.
John Flynn said: I think it is very important that we continue to take opportunities when available to educate the public concerning the fact that monies which are donated to volunteer fire departments rarely, if ever, are used for purchase of firefighting equipment, or for training, or such purposes, but rather the monies people donate to volunteer fire departments are used for parties, extravagant dinners, vacations and excursions, etc.

Mr. Flynn not all monies are used for parades and parties in the vollie world as you claim. The donations that are made are always there for the fire fighters to take classes when they can find time in their schedule to take such a class. For you to claim that the monies are very rarely used on equipment, apparatus or training is not only false but insulting. While some depts do goto parades does not mean that the right thing is not being done. Now before you go on the defensive you should know that I do not march with any fire dept or goto very many parties. This is just my thought and opinion. And the bottom line is that I know anytime I want or have the time to I can take any class I want because the monies is there for me. And like others say the job doesn't care about career vs vollie!

Do my eyes deceive, or is that Station 10 in the first picture? Talk about first due!