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That would be so low on a terrorists priority list, that if they get to the level where they are attacking small stockpiles of Mark 1 antidote kits we are so far beyond f-ed that it won't matter.

http://firefighterclosecalls.com/fullstory.php?13845 Above is a link to a story about a firefighter who set his pants on fire while training with a k-12 without bunker gear. Why the hell are they wearing a polyester blend uniform? Guys in construction do just fine cutting metal without bunker pants and don't end up in the burn unit because they wear heavy duty cotton pants. Here is an industry where we are going to intentionally expose ourselves to heat and flame and guys are wearing polyester uniforms. Thats insane. If something goes wrong and you get burned or a hot enough ember or spark gets down your collar our up your pants you not only get burned but you get shrink wrapped. Are there any depts around here that have placed appearances at such a higher value than safety?

I completely disagree here. Go to any concrete heavy construction site and you can see plenty of instances where guys are using the k-12 and other similar saws with metal cut blades cutting metal wearing nothing more than jeans, boots, gloves and eye protection (if they're even wearing that much). I personally have spent dozens of hours cutting rebar and steel studs with similar saws and never once suffered an injury. The big difference between me and that firefighter was I wouldn't have been let anywhere near the construction site wearing polyester blend pants because they are dangerous and have no place in that type of environment. These guys are fighting fires wearing clothes made out of material that a cook in a restaurant wouldn't wear.

antique all ready touched on this, but here's my two cents. There is a certain comfort that comes from working under someone you know and trust that would allow you to go a little further or push a little harder because you know their track record, and can trust their judgment. If its someone I don't know, they may have all the answers and have instincts like no other, but if they don't know our capabilities, they they may not be fully aware of what they are asking us to do.

Seeing as how the full name of the hospital is St. Vincents Catholic Medical Centers I'm going to assume there is at the very least a connection with the Archdiocese.

I don't know any of the details for the Yonkers portion of the trip, but in NYC St. Vincents is providing a paramedic crew for the Pope. All other dignitarys and personnel involved are covered by the FDNY EMS dignitary protection unit. There are preselected hospitals that depending on where the along the travel routes they are dictate which hospital he is transported to. You're lucky you not in Westchester this weekend. Unless your involved with the pope's visit it is such and amazing hassle.

Chappaqua does have ldh on all of the other engines.

WINNER!! It may not hit mark but at least it gets to the ground intact.

I know the books say that if you refuse, you're automatically guilty, but I've had two friends go through DWI's and both were told by their lawyers they would have been better off refusing. Thats bad enough. What really pissed me off was the county officer who didn't want to deal with going to Jacobi after a guy flipped his car on the exit ramp of the Hutch. He STANK of booze and didn't even know he was the Hutch. Guy refused and the officer let him off. So I guess in the end if you're going to be an a$$h@le and drink behind the wheel stick to your guns and you just might get away with it.

I like the way you worked that plug in there; very smooth.

I know FDNY and I'm willing to bet career depts have their curriculum approved to be equivalent to certain standards. In NYC a member can get documentation attesting to all the certifications they have attained.

clipper, we're seeing eye to eye on this. Thanks for taking the time to make the detailed reply. To they guys that were there at this scene and every other job that ends up on this board it sucks that all that comes out from us armchair qb's is the negative, but thats all that you can really see in photos. In the shots of this fire, I can see the fire went out and attached structure was saved. Until someone says something we don't know that the place was a maze and a difficult stop. We don't know how advanced the fire was on arrival. The things that are done right don't stand out because thats what is expected. Bring us these details so we can learn something. Other than that, good stop. Stay well guys.

So we'll just leave everything at great job atta-boy keep it up. Regardless of what actually happened. By that logic should we stop investigating Line of duty deaths? Yeah, thats the complete other end of the spectrum but its that gray area where the things that were done wrong didn't bite us in the rear that we can learn from and improve on now before the do get someone hurt. Placement of the supply line is absolutely nit picky, until you start laying it down the middle of the street or across handlines all ready in place. Take this same job and turn it into a multi story multiple dwelling. First truck in takes the front and the line is placed on the drivers side of the car. Now a second truck is needed on the side and there's a car trapped between a truck and its supply line. Run that same line along the passenger side and you get the car out of the way to allow the truck to slip in without shutting down the first truck. Hopefully this is coherent and making sense. The point isn't to slam a dept or its members, just to ask why they did something we didn't think about doing.

Bnechis, you have a very good point. He kind of painted himself into a corner. However I don't believe you can compare the two. Firefighters are not losing their jobs to volunteers. Paid fighters are taking over where volunteers were.

Thats not that crazy. If he was all ready on the Sprain he wouldn't have to kill it to get to Mohegan. Drove to Mohegan every morning for a few months and always made it in about 25 or 30. Thats going with traffic managing to catch what seemed like every damned light.

That explains it all. But I don't believe it was necessary. You guys ran that hose down the drivers side and when you charged the line it kinked. Had someone thought to run along the passenger side things would have been different for the car owner and the departments insurance policy. No, I wasn't there and this is purely speculative but I noticed the hose passes to the drivers side of the car antenna and then over the roof. So unless you guys dragged a charged 5"across the entire car and over the antenna and then straightened it out down the street someone made a mistake. Now here's whats really imprtant. Big friggin whoop. Someone goofed and ran the 5" down the wrong side of the car. Thats part of the reason why depts carry insurance (unless of course they're self insuring). We have more important concerns on the fire ground rather than repositioning a charged supply line that is going to scuff a car. People make mistakes. What is important is to recognize a mistake and point it out so that others are aware and will learn from it.

Why the 5" on the car? Seems like they could have gone around.

trying to load a fairly large lady into the bus had to take the stretcher out and put her on the floor, but the steel hook the stretcher catches on at the lip of the floor was still in the way. None of us carry a hex wrench, but luckily the truck boss had the K-12 spun up. Had it gone in a matter of seconds.

They spend a lot of time and money developing their programs and videos. When people like these programs and refer others to them, they want to know the referrals are going to the right place so the money will be pumped into their program to enable them to produce more material. and by the way, the public barely notices what goes on with us until they're calling. The only radar this story is going to pop up on is here.

K9 operate out of sedans or SUV's

Bro, save your money. You guys are a potentially valuable resource in rehab and scene support. If they don't realize that then save your money for something more usefull. When you're a full member or they realize your potential value you'll get one for free.

Thats par for the course in the big bad FDNY. Dangerous spares putting guys lives at risk every day. There no such think as off shift training. The city would rather just put a company off service. At times truck co's can't even get the proper vehicle as a spare and have to sub a ladder for a TL. Segrave is building a badly needed contract right now.

same as the above

I did not say that CAFS can't rapidly reduce the ambient temperature. I said that it can be overwhelmed. At a high enough temperature CAFS becomes ineffective. So until you hit this celing CAFS may indeed be superior at removing heat from the environment. But at this alleged temperature CAFS ceases to be effective. I also did not say that any of these products do not help waters ability to penetrate material. My point is that outside of a few industrial settings fires burn on the surface and not within a material. Thats why water additives that only speed penetration never caught on. They don't help in you average structure fire. Any you're absolutely right, that can be said about many things. Thats why careful attention has to be payed to the area you protect, the resources at your disposal, and mutual aid available to you. Should every dept have full hazmat technician capabilities, a heavy rescue, dive team, wildland unit, aircraft, and whatever else out there that could be used? bnechris, I was lacking in terminology before. An improperly applied indirect attack can rapidly spread fire to uninvolved portions of the structure. A direct attack does not push fire. An underflowed line may allow fire to spread, but it does not push the fire.

I've never used CAFS, but here are the knocks I hear... Reduced stream reach, big problem with kinks (yes the system can operate with a few kinks, but it still kinks very easily and frequently), extended overhaul, and an ability to be overwhelmed by fire (extremely high heat like in a flashed room or wind driven fire the cafs becomes ineffective). The decreased surface tension argument always gets me. Outside of large smoldering fires that you'd find in certain industrial or commercial settings water penetration into material is a garbage statistic. Fire the combustion in the presence of oxygen. Cool the surface and you put out the fire. Light water, rapid water, class A foam, CAFS, and good ol' H20 still all require extensive and thorough overhaul. An aggressive interior attack does not push fire. Thats a well documented myth. Exterior attack into a room that is not enclosed however does push fire. CAFS is a great tool, but its just that, a tool. Its more expensive to install, to train with, and to use. Unless you have some mitigating factor like poor water supply or significant wildland fire it doesn't make sense.