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I don't agree with this at all, but, it's become an unfortunate reality. You have to do the best you can with what you have. Especially in this day and age of manpower shortages. Give the kid credit for wanting to do it, at least.

check your math, there may have been a miscalculation there on someones part.

OSW's can be deceiving, though. A food on the stove is considered and OSW.

Considering the guy opened with the tree remark, I think it's a valid question.

You could probably pull the bed off of it and make a nice Quick Attack/BFU out of it.

Time for some diplomacy, I really can't say what is the best brand of fire apparatus. Simply because each has their own strengths and shortcomings. Pierce works great for a lot of departments(my former dept. included), while they can't take the stresses of other environments. People bash Ferrara mercilessly, yet others say they make the best rigs around. I think it boils down to whatever works best for you and your department, and it fits your needs.

Yes, my dear, I will be there. Luckily, I got the day off from work. You know where to find me.

Get in there and keep me company, and awake!!! Thank you...

what a moron.......... Wonder what made the cops doubt the story???

They respond on certain street boxes and in certain areas where water supply is limited, such as the Navy Yard in Brooklyn,certain bridge boxes on the Brooklyn and Manhattan Bridges that are short on standpipes, or the Terminal Market and Hunts Point in the Bronx. Any 10-75 above W 230 and West of B'way. They can be special called by an IC if there is a water problem or there's a large area of brush going in a remote area, like the pix TB took. An all hands or greater in SI, any Foam operation, if a Marine company is operating at a land based fire, and then any multiples in the city. As for the idea of shutting one or two down, nope. Simply because of the possibility of having numerous simultaneous multiples going and the need to get copious(or MAXI-mum) water on to a burning structure. Granted, it's a rare occurence, but it does happen. They are staffed by the engine that they are quartered with. If you ever get a chance to look at the assignment cards, look at the engines they are quartered with, they do not respond beyond third due to anything. This goes back to the old toybox analogy, it's always nice to have the toys in the toybox to take out when you want to play with them, and put them back when you're done. Side note, Department policy, if the Satellite and associated Engine company are not 10-84 on the Probably will Hold, they are returned. No questions asked. My apologies on the seriousness, it's been a long day dealing with the probies.

Now here's the question, is it a truck trying to be a pick up?? Or, is it a pick up with loftier aspirations??? Just another toy for the rich with nothing better to waste their money on.

Understood ALS, but, can a pick up carry all the other extra equipment??? Most of the time, the deck gun doesn't get used, but the LDH and manifold, and foam gear does. Ever hear the saying, "We may not need it, but it's nice to have" ??? As for the pick up, LA County has deluge units that are nothing more than pick up trucks with a larger than normal deck gun built up where the bed should be. Doesn't appear that they have any LDH on board. The Satellites are big rigs, and they have more than just the deck gun. It's that multi purpose stuff that IMHO keeps them relevant. FYI, Brooklyn had a 3rd alarm this morning and they put that manifold and LDH off Satellite 3 to work.

Look at it this way, they have a rather big deck gun on board. 2000 gpm at X amount of pressure is coming out of it. I have seen film of a Satellite in operation, and they have taken walls out. They need something a little bigger than a pickup with a crew cab. Aside from the hose, they are also carrying a manifold, foam operation equipment and other assorted goodies that may not be able to fit in a smaller piece of apparatus.

GFD has it right. They are not part of the FDNY, however they do have a teleprinter in quarters and respond when special called by FDNY units or they respond to something if it close to quarters.

Get out of my head, that dispatch "ride along" for the firefighters is an idea I've been kicking around for ages.

I really didn't want to take sides on this, but after the last couple of posts I felt I had to comment. Firefighters do not neccesarily make good dispatchers. Nor do dispatchers neccesarily make good firefighters.(I'm living proof) As for the old salt vs. the young buck conflict, yes, we all need to work together for the greater good, or to put it more bluntly, to provide a better service to those whom we are sworn to protect. To those who have been around for years, to an extent, You have the respect of the newer crowd. like I said in my Making life Easier thread, don't abuse it. You may have been doing your thing when tube tops were fashionble, but you can still pick up a thing or two from the newbies. For those of us who have a little experience or a few years behind them, learn from those who are senior, earn their respect. Be diplomatic when forwarding new ideas. The general consensus I get in my present position is that those who did not work during the times of heavy activity, don't know squat, and can't be innovative when it comes to adopting/revising policy. This is far from the truth. Give new ideas a chance, or old ideas updated. It just may get the job done as well as, or better than some of the old ways. OK Soapbox 10-8.

Please, I don't know half as much as I should. A certain former supervising dispatcher once called me a fountain of useless knowledge. Probably one of the reasons why she's back dispatching again and I'm the one running the tour. Boy, did that sound arrogant. :-P Like I said, I'm still learning and I am always happy to pass on what I have learned. When it comes to certain stuff, If I can answer it, I will, if not I will do my best to get that answer for you.

Hey, I like the idea of giving em a dispatcher number. Just add to the regulation that if your name is requested you have to give them your full name. Also, IMHO you build a relationship with the members out in the field. I don't know how it is with WC, but there are members and buffs out there who listen up for specific voices on that radio, and who know when Dispatcher# so and so is working, when it hits the fan, they will be well taken care of.

OK, the present Satellite Water System is the evolution of the Maxi-Water System, which was what evolved from the Super Pumper System of days of yore. Before the Satellite Water System was developed in 1998, a Satellite would respond with its associated Engine company upon transmission of a 2nd Alarm anywhere in the city, except in SI and the area covered by Jamaica Water Supply in Queens, then it would respond on the all hands. E-72 would respond on 10-75's in Riverdale(Generally anything west of Broadway and north of West 230 Street). Upon Transmission of the 3rd Alarm, Engine 207 w/Maxi Water would respond, along with another Satellite and its associated engine.(Total of 3) The officer of 207 would advise the dispatcher where the hook up site would be and they would take it from there. The officer of 207 would be designated as water resource officer. In 1998, the Satellite Water System came into being. The Maxi Water Unit was re-designated Satellite 6. All six rigs are identical. They are hose wagons with a large diameter deck gun, they carry a manifold and X amount of LDH. Along with a few foam cans, proportioner, etc. E-159/Sat-5 respond still on all hands in SI, E-72/Sat-2 repond to certain street boxes, and on 10-75's in Riverdale. E-324/Sat-4 no longer respond on All Hands in the JWS area. The satellites are not equipped with a pump, however, the associated engine is a 2000 GPM pumper. I was just walking past 207 today and 6 plus years later, Sat-6 is still marked as the Maxi Water Unit. Hope this helps. As far as when the new Satellite for Sat-2 thru 6 will be delivered, I have no clue. One other thing, certain Satellites must be covered in times of high fire activity. I think it's 2 and 4 must be covered. I'll look in the books tomorrow at HQ.

I do have one question, since it was just mentioned. Do the departments that have 60 dispatching them have to give up the radio licensce for the base station?? Do you guys still do weekly radio/pager checks and announcements?? Side note: I used to love doing that stuff.

Well, my future wife and I met on Super Bowl Sunday '02. A few days later, we ended our first date on the Boardwalk in Rockaway near my brothers apartment. Last night during halftime, I went out to the boardwalk. Leaned up against Queens Box 1388, wearing the same Rescue 1 hat I was wearing the day we met. Started talking about memories and other sappy stuff, and how I wanted to make new memories, dropped to my knee and whipped out the ring and said, "I'd also like you to be me my wife" Kinda makes ya wanna cry, doesn't it???

For anyone who is a Giants fan, tonight was a special night. I do believe when the clock ticked down to the final seconds, and that look on Mc Nabbs said it all.... in internet message board speak... PWNED!!!!! BTW I got engaged tonight too.

Instead of a unianimous decision, why doesn't 60 just say, "OK, here's our list of 10 codes, this is what you're going to use."???

Clear Text, or Plain English, is obviously advantageous when it comes to things such as size up and progress reports. 10 codes have their place as well. I can't think of how many times I would get calls from NYPD for a 10-59 and I'm like, what's that??? It's NYPD speak for a fire. Uniform ten codes for fire are definitely a way to go, and learning them is a must. When I was a dispatcher, I used to get so annoyed when I would say something to a unit, and they would say 10-6(Stand by) in a questioning tone. They really meant 10-5(Repeat) so I would just say, 10-4 standing by and politely wait till they got it right.

It's the Fire Bell Club.