robert benz

hope the pic is visible. HUD window window covered by plywood (or other material) held in place by 2 2 by 4's on the outside connected by bolts to 2 2 by4's on the inside. the inside 2/4's are longer or wider than the window making a basic window sandwich

Thanks John, that is the help I am looking for.

we moved from what is the difference between a "ladder and a quint" to how it is manned and used. I have worked with a "quint" in my dept for 20+years. We call it a tower ladder and use it as such. The term quint never comes up.

says he was found in the bathroom, we had a gentleman fall in the bathroom, up against the hot radiator steam pipe and he was burnt pretty bad 2nd and 3rd

a second part to this question is what dont you carry and / but expect it to be on the scene already? example engine responds as FAST but the trucks carry the saws/ stokes basket/ tic etc.

yup it was told to me by an NBC tech / vol ff., and I am the one who probably told you lol. He stated (at the time) he could steal the signal and broadcast it out in a matter of minutes. Now is the media going to be there when you are first using it?? maybe but his concern was if you make a mistake it is there for the whole world to see forever. And just as a note if you havent had a legit hands on class by a qualified TIC instructor the chances of "not interputing (sic) what the camera is telling you" are a real possibility.

You are making very general statements about all the career firefighters. I started the "bitching", I am a career firefighter, but my my comments were not aimed at the Volunteer fire service.

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according to your comment's you are only concerned because he was on a ladder with his straps undone, so if he was injuried in front of the building with his straps off he shouldnt have to worry about lawyers, because I am sure the manufacturer clearly states that is ok. everyone is making the same point, SAFETY!!! we have all have been taught why we wear the straps so to bring it up, who are you telling it to??? the officer who was going down the ladder??? the guy who does it right?? oh the guy who knows better that does it wrong anyway?? I understand you stop the little things and maybe the big things wont happen, but this topic about this pic probably wont change how anybody operates, unless you are going to say something to the problem firefighters in your own fire dept. And if that is the case, you do say something in your dept, and it changes one person, why the hell did it take a photo in 2009 to to wake you up???

I am not telling anyone not to learn on here, what I made a statement about was, is that pic going to change your behavior, based on the comments from this group, either you wear it right or you dont, but I dont know when this pic was taken , at what part of the incident, and I am sure he knows all about weight and safety. Also since you asked me directly, I wear my seatbelt and my waiststrap and I tell all the members they should also, so no I dont try to get away with anything. and I dont think that was on the mind of this firefighter ohhh I am getting away with not wearing my waistbelt I hope someone takes my pic so It can be talked about on EMTBRAVO

my answer could lost in the post so here it is again my point is you knew the answer or the way it is supposed to be worn before you asked it. you already knew what could happen to the question about the straps before you stated it. For that matter every one on here that is involved with wearing a scba has been taught how to wear it and why you should wear it and what could go wrong. So by stating something like that about the pic was not going to change anything those that wear them right are going to continue to wear it the right way, those that arent are not going to change thier minds based on this pic. Honestly how many veiwing that pic had to ask themselves is he wearing his scba correctly, and I wonder what could happen if one of those staps got stuck in the railing? If you already wear it correctly then you arent going to change a thing, if you CHOOSE to not wear it correctly and your dept or officer doesnt correct you then this pic and the comments are not going to change your behavior. If you are an interior firefighter and you dont know the answer to those questions prior to seeing it in a pic, then you were not trained properly when you were introduced to wearing an scba. I am not advocating unsafe practices, all I am saying is "we" are very quick to judge others based on a pic. Nothing happened to that Firefighter to say that the straps were not buckled. As far as leading by example, I have had the pleasure of working with GREAT firefighters who never buckled their waistbelts but knew their job on the fireground, and less then great FF'S who knew how to get dressed and that was about all. (that is a whole other topic for another day) and yes their are guys who know how to wear their scba/ppe correctly and are great firefighters. I would have much rather seen something along the lines of Could this pic be of use in a firefighter 1 class to show BRAND NEW RECRUITS (a very select group that is just learning about PPE and SCBA) "DO YOU SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE"

there is nothing to be gained by not wearing the waiststraps we all know why we are supposed to wear all the straps. Is that pic going to make anybody who wears the waiststap suddenly stop wearing it, no. And if you dont wear it is that pic going to change what you have already been taught / heard no. If you are a firefighter and the officers above you dont correct your actions, shame on them, if you are an officer and the chief doesnt say something shame on him /her /them. If the "person" doing an unsafe act not wearing ppe/ scba/ seatbelts is advocating to other members I dont wear it you shouldnt either then you have a much bigger problem. I just dont think stating the obvious "proper use of scba straps". He wasnt wearing his and all the replies that go with it "takes the weight off" etc, all because of one frame of one pic, we have no idea when in the incident this took place, if you dont like what he was doing set your own example dont do what he was doing.

HERE WE GO!!!!! I was wondering how long it was going to take before the safety police started, while you are at it his coat isnt buckled all the way up, his neck flap isnt in place he isnt wearing his hood, are those nfpa gloves? maybe he should be walking down the ladder backwords instead cus he might trip and fall, GIVE ME A BREAK it is a pic of one second in time you can what if it to death, I am sure if the dept he works for has a problem with any of it they will deal with it.

thank god it landed where it did!!! let it land in long island sound this time of year and it would have been a totaly different outcome.

looks like 3 have been removed from the academy, with 2 being dismissed from service

Engine 1 just solved the whole mutual aid problem, just drive the muster engine all over the county!! is this the first april fools joke of the year????

fdny does not just send a ladder or an engine mutual aid to westchester so white plains is quicker and it is the way the chief in pelham manor setup his mutual aid plan, why are you so concerned about who showed up when it was posted how busy the first mutal aid partners were at the time???

while I agree the seating area is getting tighter, I think it really does matter if you get dressed at the scene, think about the perception of, it is a working fire, people trapped, the call comes in that way, and NOW YOU DECIDE TO GET DRESSED IN FRONT OF THE PERSON HANGING OUT OF THE WINDOW. Our dept has a policy if you are out of quarters, get dispatched to anything fire related you are to pull over let the members get dressed, "that whole safety thing about getting dressed in the cab " and then procede to the call. But to each his own.

lets see almost all of you are saying you cant drive an engine with gear on, what about that truck in the next bay, the operator of that apparatus in most depts wont have the luxury of pulling up and staying outside, he drives to the call fully dressed ready to work, doesnt he?? or at least thats what I deal with in my dept.

Ok the last topic took off into a forcible entry debate. Some great points were brought out, what tools work best given the situation, some from what wont work given the size up of the "door/ frame". Based on responses from guys who have done a lot of f/e and from guys in quieter area's who may not do too much, lets see who prefers what technique and why. I have had the luxury of being shown conventional forcible entry (irons) from highly respected members of FDNY. With that said, we (nrfd) setup two forcible entry simulators in one of our firehouses. Every member has been shown and has trained on the correct way to force a door that swings toward you and away from you. From this CORRECT way we have adapted and trained on the notion that there are no ALWAYS AND VERY FEW NEVERS when it comes to forcing a door. As far as the hydra ram it is a hydro tool and it can and will fail, it is a great tool when used properly and when it is used by trained personal who can detect when it ISNT WORKING THE WAY IT IS SUPPOSED TO. ie THE DUMP VALVE IS NOT FULLY CLOSED!!!. Happens all the time and is one of the failures of the tool. so hydra ram not too good on doors with angle iron butted against stop, possible mech failure, not recomended for doors that open toward you, and last on my list wood doors and frames. Good for One man operation, 10,000 lbs of force on or close to lock should defeat the lock, better for door control as door does not blow open. Ok I started it lets see some good proven tips and tricks we can all learn something from.

how about the lockbox keys, then thru the lock, hydro-ram (rabitt tool), then conventional f/e. With that much info, you cant leave without entering, and yes PD should be notified to secure the premisis, and no it isnt the fd's job to replace the door, ALTHOUGH it is good customer relations if you can TRY to resecure the door prior to leaving . and I hope we stopped "bashing in doors" when the situation didnt warrant it. In my opinion, thats what professional means.

he can be trained inhouse so long as the training meets all the objectives of the 229 hours that the state says is the minimum standard. You are required to send your training agenda to the state prior to training for approval. Example The instructors teaching a class have to be certified by OFPC to teach that class in order for the student to get credit for it. The other part that has to be done is CPAT. That cant be done inhouse, so he will have to get in on someones test (I dont think the career academy will let him back for that day) and I believe it is a max time of 18 months from time of appointment to pass the test, but that is up to each dept.

that list is way off, is it starting pay? and pay is relative to how many hours you work, I would much rather make 75,000 a year and work 35 hours a week then make 75,000 and work 48 or some places 56 thats why the list as i saw was incomplete

Paul, I know how it all works so I am playing devils advocate here, most of the responses are worried about the safety of the men saying dont go in without a charged line, cant disagree with that thinking, well how come we can send in a truck company without the protection of a hoseline if we are so worried about water and safety??? devils been put back in the box under lock and key

I agree with you John, I have gone to a second floor landing with fire in the attic / 3rd floor before charging the line, also the size of the structure will dictate when to charge the line. Ok so when you bleed the line water does get the house wet oh well, with limited manpower we didnt expend too much energy dragging a charged line up a couple of flights of stairs. Door to the fire area closed, light or no smoke, I guess you have to know your crews capabilities. Also on the subject of donning your mask thats a lot of air being used before you find smoke if you are a couple of floors away from the fire. As always SOP'S and the situation will or should dictate what your course of action is.