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This is a failure that the volunteer fire service has come to accept. If a rig responding to an alarm gets into an accident, this leads to a delay in getting this particular rig to the fire. A failure of sorts. The Chauffeur probably will have his driving privileges taken away for some amount of time. maybe re training will take place. However a failure, WHICH someone will take the responsibility for and a corrective measure will take place to try and make this not happen again. While stretching a line there is a substantial delay in getting the line charged. The hydrant man did a butcher job hitting the hydrant, screwed it all up, leading to a big delay. A failure and a fire ground embarrassment witnessed by many. The person involved after getting their balls broke to no end will go back to training and learning what they did wrong and hopefully it will never happen again. Again someone is held accountable for the failure. Your dispatcher types in the wrong address into the CAD system for whatever reason. Mistakes happen they are human to. This leads to a 6 minute delay before the correct address can be figured out. Luckily it's nothing serious. A failure none the less. The Chiefs will complain to whomever they need to and a letter will be written. It will be put in the dispatchers file and some re training will take place. End result someone is held responsible and the mistake-failure is expected not to repeat itself anytime soon. Someone is held accountable in all these situations. BUT the failure to cover alarms for some reason-Chiefs have become immune to. If you are a Chief of a department with this problem you are the one who is held accountable for these failures. Just as you would be quick to find out who was responsible for the above scenarios occurring you must also look at what is responsible for the failure to cover your alarms. And the solutions lay on your shoulders as well. Are you a department that accepts failure?

Port Chester Seagrave tiller. This rig must have seen a lot of fire duty in its time. It just went out of service a few years back correct? Gotta love the open tiller cab and to think the tillerman was still tooling around the village in an open tiller cab in the 2000's Cool. Photo by Mike Martinelli Next time Pleasantville "patrols" and some more Macks.

Besides Maxim I think Mack made some of the best looking fire apparatus. Some people think the American LaFrance 700 series "bathtub" look is the "definitive" American fire engine, I think the Mack B model is. It had its lines in the right places for sure and was the best looking fire engine model ever, in my opinion. Here is Peekskill Centennial Hose Co # 4 semi open cab. Again this was taken I believe at a parade in Nassau county. No photo credit for this and the White Plains rigs. M.Cap collection.

Another great looking Maxim tiller. White Plains Ladder 1. I believe this pic was taken at a parade in Nassau County. I guess back in the day rigs from Westchester and Nassau would attend each other parades more then they do today. Love the "bubble" window in the tiller cab.

I love Maxims, and the semi open cab looked great especially on tillers. Here is a delivery photo from Maxim of New Rochelle Ladder 2. What would be interesting is if someone has a photo of this rig towards the end of its career. We can compare the different looks it had from untouched delivery fresh to years of fire duty and additions and modifications made by the department that ran it.

Next time New Rochelle, White Plains, and Peekskill.

Village of Mamaroneck 1963 Seagrave Engine 39 photo by Glenn Vincent

Village of Mamaroneck 1972 Mack CF Engine 41 photo Glenn Vincent

Hastings on Hudson Eng.3 a Seagrave Anniversary series Engine.

Nice Olds! I'm an Olds man myself...... I own a 1972 Hurst/Olds hard top with factory moon roof. 50,625 original miles. Bought it from the Original owner in 1990. I will get some pics to post. I also owned a 1970 Cutlass S, 1972 Cutlass Supreme, 1976 Cutlass Supreme and a 1979 Hurst/Olds. I consider myself a Hurst historian, or "Hurstorian" and this is the same company that created the Hurst Tool. Among 100's of vintage Hurst items I have George Hurst's personal photo album of the very first Hurst Tool demo in Washington D.C.

Our Dept has been using 2 inch hose for almost 10 years now. Our Dept likes it, we started out with rubber hose but switched over to canvas about 3 years ago. 2 inch and 2 1/2 inch attack hose. The only 1 3/4 we use is for trash lines. No booster hose on any 1st line Engine.

Carl Thuge was the long time salesman for the area I think. And he is still selling fire trucks not sure the company though. Spartan maybe? Not sure of the Mack dealer I know they were built in LI City for a long time.

I had you in mind sir when I posted this I knew you would have the answer. And you are right I forgot about the FD/PD having a different tier structure then other civil service in NY State. Thanks for the info.

Interesting that this Mack and the last Mack CF with a Mack body also went to a NY area Dept. Westbury NY took delivery of the last all Mack built CF in 1984. NY was a Mack state for sure.

Don't laugh there are a lot of "Mc Millionaires" who worked their way up from the griddle in that company. While taking a leadership/management class years back McDonalds was a company model we looked at.

NYS did not go from tier 2 to 6 in 5 years. It went from 5 to 6 in a short amount of time, not sure maybe a year. Prior people were hired at a level tier 4 from the early 90's to only a few years back. Not 100% sure but im close.

I agree there is a difference between bashing and opinion. But when the man (TFD141) ends his post with "I usually don't answer requests on this site as it seems anything a volunteer does on this site is no good and eventually turns into a bashing and pissing match." and the very next post says "Did he just wake up out of a coma? Do they take that long to respond? I think that's bashing and proves his point. In the end I guess its what kitchen table you sit around, we will agree to disagree. Be safe all.

Chief ....of the NOT full time departments how many are done by local PD's. This used to be a problem in Nassau but over the years all the PD's have relinquished the FD dispatch to the County except for the Lynbrook FD. But in their case whomever gets the alarm first transmits, then the county takes over the rest of the alarm and re-alerts if needed. In Nassau there are 69 responding FD's. County does 38 full time, 39 if you count the Lynbrook case. The other departments have their own dispatcher or are dispatched by another single fd dispatch such as 650 the North Bellmore FD dispatches for North Bellmore, Bellmore, Merrick and Lakeview FD's. County also does the initial dispatch if the alarm comes through via 911 for 5 of those departments. They alert once then follow up with a phone call and the local dispatcher takes the rest of the alarm.

You just made his point by bashing LOL.

I always thought Ossining transmitted the alarms as well, and handled the truck to truck responses to alarms during this period. I can understand PD or 60 banging out the original alarm if they get it but I thought OFD took the call from there.

Ossining had part time fd dispatchers during the "busy" hours 7-10pm weekdays which is pretty unique, is this still in effect?

Thanks for the info guys.

FDNY members are not allowed...or I should say are discouraged from taking part in these relocation drills. No FDNY F/F's go, nor EMT's, Alarm dispatchers or other employed persons of FDNY that may have to be activated into duty should something happen. Retired are ok. If this was the real thing they would be going to their FDNY companies and not responding in with their volunteer companies. I know this happened on 9-11, volunteer companies with FDNY guys took the volunteer rig in to Manhattan, but this plan should, or it is hoped that the plan will eliminate a freelance response. I hope we never get to find out.

Nassau County conducts "mobilization" drills on a regular basis with FDNY, about 2 a year. Next one is scheduled for Sept. Nassau sends units (Engines and Ladders) into Queens and Brooklyn. They go to pre planned assigned firehouses according to the mutual aid plan, drill have lunch and come back to county. This includes the fire marshals haz mat units and fire communications fieldcom unit on certain details.

Interesting. I have thought about this myself. Having a 17 year old senior who has aspirations of joining the local volunteer Fire Dept when they turn 18 be allowed to take a FF 1 course their senior year. Most seniors have half days as it is with their schedules I'm sure something like this could be worked out. Interesting concept.