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4truck48 your 100% correct thats the real issue how ever the question was is there hostiliy or do volunteers and career FF's get along? your point is dead on and should be the end result and main goal of any firefighter or department . how ever no matter where you go there will always be some sorts of minor tension this being mostly those few people on either side who give each side a bad name and forget that their main role is that of public saftey and that no matter who gets off that rig in those 3-5 minutes as long as that goal is done so with highly trained personel who mitigate the incident who cares with both sides there are those vollies who are in it for the perks and make the bare minimun, and there are some career FF's who had a lucky saturday and do it for the money. but one must take into account that there are those who loose the whole picture on each side and thats where any sort of conflict comes from.

well I also waited for this article to run its course before commenting, I want to say that as a FF I in no way shape or form see this as an attack upon the FF's on long island and I think that this article was written with taste giving the facts and basically is designed to point out that the members be it commissioners or what not who have the power over the department funds are putting the money to a disgraceful use, I am a major believer in going out and getting training, how ever Caribbean trips, cruises come on there has to be a better and more qualified course and instructors some where on the mainland U.S. also as was stated in one article that they need 10 man cab engines come on some depts. out there have appox 5-6 engines, they have rescues n at least 1 truck are you seriously telling my they can fill 50-70 seats on all those apparatus and in the next sentence they are complaining they need more vollies, the bottom line is its not how the personnel gets there its that they do get there so if you have a 6 man cab like most Depts. and all 4 or 5 or 6 enignes roll with any where form 24-36 people if all 6 were full then you take your personal vehicles, come on how often would this really happen, and ya a CAF system is great on a engine but all the extra LEDS and gold lief and chrome is it necessary no way. the fire houses are a totally different issue, they are ridiculous and if tax payers are funding your pool and gym well then let them all use it, rent out the Hugh meeting/banquet room for residents n help replenish the money you just wasted on this at least then the room isn’t wasted. As for the volunteers no one can doubt they loyalty and the amount of time that they show/give to their depts. and there will always be those members who go way above n beyond, and there will be those who do it for the benefits who do the bare minimum. I would honestly love to see outa the numbers the long island depts. list their active members just how many alarms that these members responded to, but this is also a issue every where not just long island. But the perks on long island that seem to be done for the majority of those who control the money or who are high up in the command chain are just ridiculous. Further more this brings about the operating expenses of some of the districts have yearly operating coasts over 5million? for a vollie dept? And long beach a combination dept with the lowest response time on the island only coasts 3.6 million.. I think this article serves to show that for what the residents pay in taxes they are not getting the fire protection they deserve, with those kinds of operation expenses response times in the area of 10 minutes are ridiculous, paying janitors to go on fire calls is ridiculous, you mise well just make it civil service hire a few career drivers form a residents list so basically you probably end up hiring you own vollies this benefits some vollies, encourages more to vollies who seek future jobs, and well benefits residents in making sure a rig gets out thus decreasing response times. also these career drives would get further training with the career academy, and this all would still probably coast less then some of the depts. budgets now once they take away the trips and lavish spending on race cars and fancy all dressed up trucks... trucks are to carry water, a ladder, or hose, they are to get people n tools to a scene safely, what make it look like a museum piece or light it up like a x-mas tree. all I can say is that many volunteers work hard at their jobs n find time to serve the community lets not knock them... its mainly about long island n the commissioners who let this stuff happen out there they should be accountable to the tax payers n hopefully they do... bottom line is long island as well as many places need to look at the facts the number of vollies is down and response times are up so something needs to be done and out there with budgets that they have well its unacceptable how things are in many departments out there, so changes need to be made and people need to be held accountable.

well put brother, and their probably are some vollies who may make even better career FF's then some Career FF's are just as it can be the some career FF's are better then some vollies. they key is how much you get out there and learn and how you apply what you learn. good luck to all i'd like to hear more what others have to say on this topic and keep it going in the respectfull manner it has been.

well all i have to see is the rest of the last 6 parts should be extremely eye opening and it seems they have done a ton of research. lets all wait and see what is to come before the typical vollie vs career issue starts up.

the one problem I have with this is no one is bashing a department people are pointing out issues that we are all guilty of and these happened to be caught on TV and if you want to be on TV then well your open to critics, but all the comments made here are designed to help other people on this site see the whole picture watching other departments in action helps us to learn and talking about what we saw helps us to learn from not only what we saw but what come of the best in our field saw, you have state and county fire instructors on here, your have probies, FF's Lt's Capt's Deputy Chiefs, Batt Chiefs and full Chiefs learn from the knowledge and experience, its not a bashing its a critique learn form it and let it save yours or some ones else’s life And thats what this site is about and what Seth and every one else on here want a learning tool for all ages and levels of experiance. so we can learn form each other.

Defiantly agree with all of you the key is take what u saw and learn from it let it save your life and those men and women you work with. also I don’t know if it was the 2nd show or 3rd where the new guy was setting up; Ladder 26 on the grass as he was driving very fast across the grass on soft ground, only to become obstructed by over head wires, then after several costly minutes with no ventilation he was able to get the stick in place and the OV was able to vent the fire room, 1st issue is he is new to driving the rig fine we can take it as a learning experience but why not use a ground ladder whets the reliance on the stick. Were their no interior stairs to climb other then the attack stair case? Were their no fire escapes or means to access from an adjoining roof, the key is don’t always rely on the stick Also once access was made to the roof ventilation could have been attained by vertical ventilation (cutting the Roof) or Horizontal (taking out the windows of the fire room which was on the top floor from above with the proper tools.

The typing test last year was given 1 month following the test, i took the test on a saturday in mid october n went for a typing test around nov17th. i had my results by feb and a offer of employment around early march. its a very quick process compared to other civil service exams

1936 Sealand antique, and it was not originally a hartsdale engine. hartsdales original engine is a 1926 American laFrance that is located in the Ct. Fire Museum

The Hartsdale Fire District will hold an Open House on Sunday, October 9, 2005 from 10:00 AM to 3:00 PM at the Hartsdale Fire Station No. 2, located at 300 West Hartsdale Avenue, Hartsdale, NY. Fire safety literature will be available and fire department personnel will be available to answer any questions you may have regarding fire safety in your home. Please stop by with your family and friends. Our fire trucks will also be available for viewing. Hope to see you there!

Fairview Ladder 1 which is really a tower ladder (KME) has a pump carries water, and has house in the forms of both supply line and pre connects

any one know how the agility works? is it graded based on time?

totally true i rather rappel as well, but what if your extended out over a burning building, or theres no rope in the bucket or so forth, an extra added option is always good.

Congrats to Both the New Captain and DC...

interesting feature, i thought most departments were switching to aieral platforms which is basiclly a stick with a bucket, the missing escape ladder seems to pose a problem? any one got any ideas on this? and whats with the light bars, seems weird not to see LEDS or strobes now a days.

A&E reruns it now at 11am daily....

mabe another channel will pick it up, several shows have switched channels before.....

How Bout the fact 60 control puts out a signal 10 at about 19:30 hrs tonight..... and several departments or agencies just choose to put out nightly pager tests regardless.... I honestly thing this is ridiculous, listen to your radios and know what's going on, your test may step on someone else's emergency transmission and this is just unacceptable

Hartsdale 68 East Hartsdale ave, may 1993 6 ladder pipes in operation, numerious other mutual aid, HFD ladder 47, GFD ladder 4, Elmsford ladder 55, Dobbs ferry Tl-23 Yonkers Tl-75, And scarsdale's stick

The Mack Cf was for sale, ask TR54 i believe he even put up a post stating that it was for sale and for how much and so on...

That may be the case in all, but they should have to listen.. or some kind of action should be taken to prevent these incidents....

Trucks.... Tower ladder 111... the nut house Stick... 132 truck .... In The Eye of the storm" Rescue 3 Squad 1 Tiller 6 truck Engine 9, or 280 or 214....

Fire trapped on the 37th floor, was a made for Tv movie i believe and i have it on VHS, i don;t know what year it aired in probably like 1996 or so.. Its the True story of the Interstate Bank Building Fire Los Angeles, California (May 4, 1988) Interstate Bank Building Fire Los Angeles, California (May 4, 1988) On Wednesday, May 4 and continuing in to May 5, 1988, the Los Angeles City Fire Department responded to and extinguished the most challenging and difficult high-rise fire in the city's history. The fire destroyed four floors and damaged a fifth floor of the modern 62 story First Interstate Bank building in downtwon L.A., claimed one life, injured approximately 35 occupants and 14 fire personnel, and resulted in a property loss of over $50 million. This was one of the most destructive high-rise fires in recent United States history. The fire presented the greatest potential for the "Towering Inferno" scenario of any U.S. fire experience and was controlled only through the massive and dedicated manual fire suppression efforts large metropolitan fire department. It demonstrated the absolute need automatic sprinklers to provide protection for tall buildings. For more info about the actual fire visit http://www.iklimnet.com/hotelfires/interstatebank.html

Hartsdale Fire Department Station 1 ( South Central Ave) Engine 170, 2000 Pierce Dash, 2000 gallon per minute pump, 500 gallon tank Engine 171, 1976 Ward LaFrance, 1,750 gallons per minute, 500 gallon tank, Refurbed in 1986 ( Spare Engine) Station 2 ( 300 West Hartsdale Ave.) HQ Engine 169, 2000 Pierce Dash, 2000 gallon per minute pump, 500 gallon tank ( note 169 and 170 are twins aside from 170 carrys the halometro tools and 169 carries some hazmatt equipment in the rear drivers compartments) Tower Ladder 15,1994 FWD/Baker/SaulsBury 95 foot Tower ladder Antique Engine- Is a 1926 SeaLand Command Cars Car 2171 ( Chief) Car 2172 ( On Duty Deputy Chief) Car 2173 (Spare For Cars 2171 and 2172 as well as the Plow) Car 2174 ( volunteer utility)

100% correct JBE, also the truck serves us great for driving santa around for our department x-mas party...lol... also at times it will be used by off duty firefighters or officers who are called back on over time as transportation to the scene of a workign fire. but its primare use is exactly what u said

Date: 1/18/05 Time: 0925 Location: Thornwood - 59 Kensico Ave. X Westchester Ave Frequency: 46.26 - (operations 46.30) Units Operating: Thornwood: All Briarcliff R37 - cascade Millwood R36 - cascade Pleasantville TL5, Engine 259 Valhalla E-83, Rescue 9 to scene Hawthorne engine156 Chappaqua Engine 146 Chappaqua TL- 27 to scene 1030h Field-Comm 1 County Car 2 Batt. 16 Batt 12? C & O Stand By: Mount Kisco - engine - stand by P'ville Mount Kisco -TL 14 stand by Armonk engine, Bedford Hills Tl-57 stand by Chappaqua Elmsford Engine 237 relcoated to Thornwood. Description Of Incident: 2 1/2 story frame Residential structure 20X40 Heavy fire on arrival in Basement, out windows. Over 4 lines stretched, Thornwood Tl-1 and P-ville Tl-5 both up and opening up the roof and windows as well as exterior walls, appread to be large amounts of fire in the walls along with balloon construction. orgin of fire is believe to be the basement and it shot up the walls. Writer: HFD211, HFD206, doug_e all on scene Also note pictures submitted to emtbravo.. hopefully they will be up shortly