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This is a payroll tax. It effects all including FD and non profits such as Vassar College. It is as far north as Dutchess County.

Yeah and another one. What do some people think. Hempstead Fire Chief Charged With Menacing http://www.longislandpress.com/2010/03/09/hempstead-fire-chief-charged-with-menacing/

Both DC911 operation Manager and CC1 do not know of ant document as described. CC1 did forward me the same DC Chiefs document that I have and DC911 Operations Manger confirmed "I am not aware of any DC911 document about FAST that specifies 10 people are needed. Yes, if a department has a FAST team, we would enter it in CAD. " that a notice from the FD it them will add a FAST to CAD. If someone does have the "10 man" document, please send it to me.

Not that this is the best or all encompassing document but this may give an idea on how we utilize 16/17 year old FF's. I f anybody has any ideas for updates, feel free to PM me. V 16-17 YO FirefighterJob Position Description.pdf

Can you get a copy of this and send it to me or post this here. I have no knowledge of this. I do have a document from the DC Chiefs but it does not come close to these numbers.

I could be wrong but my recollection was some wording that made some things are applied like they are employees but they do not meet the definition in all cases. One is for the purpose of applying the fire Brigade Standard, PESH considers volunteers employees. Probably they are truly a hybrid.

Since voluteers are not employees, tough to apply. There are some thoughts of violation of penal law having to do with a minor in a hazerdous activity causing harm but that is 16 and below. Chris192?

Actually DC911 will dispatch only FASTeams they know about. They do not qualify or ask. They do have a CAD listing of identified FAST. If you say you have a FASTeam, they will list it. I will say I do agree that all FF's need to be trained and refreshed so the FASTeam should be moot, just a request for XYZ department for FAST Operations and the closest is sent.

I was just learnig ebonics and now they throw youngbonics and texting at me.

Sorry, I took it as a response to me.

Not sure where your going with this Dan. This was in response to "New Hamburgh and Arlington do not have FAST Teams", "City Of Poughkeepsie uses Highland FAST Team Over Fairview sometimes, because Fairview is operating as a back up engine or ladder. "

Not to split hairs but Interior qualified as to whose standard. This is determined by the Department. To meet the definition of a Volunteer Firefighter by NYS DOL, 15 hours of initial training needs to be taken and 8 hours of refresher!!!! This is not a typo!!!! If the Department meets the 15 hours of training of a member, then they can cut them loose as an interior FF. This as all know is woefully inadequate but that is what is written as was determined by DOL using OSHA 1910.156 as it's guide. At the same time they determined a Career member is 229 initial and 100 refresher (WTF). Do you see the problem!!! A member taken training and meeting prerequisites to take FAST classes does not violate DOL laws as they apply to 16/17 year olds. I agree that 16/17 year olds can not be placed into the situation that is dangerous but training is a different animal.

Cite the law that supports this! Don't get me wrong, I am not in support of this but people cannot dictate what others are doing that complies with a law.

I won't argue with you in the instance of a Department being conscientious on who should go. IMO, more experienced members should be allowed over younger members where the need and experience would be more beneficial. However, not all Departments do this and though not right, if they are a member then nothing can be done about it. If they are Explorers, that is something that can be addressed. A 16/17 year old member should concentrate on the basics. I've seen to many members accelerate through because they are short manpower and the members are not ready. Add the immaturity of someone 16/17 and it is a disaster waiting to happen. FD's need to better police and manage their members so these situations do not occur. But as you know, this does not happen.

Just because they were under 18 does not mean they are explorers. In NY you can be a firefighter at 16.

I will discuss this with CC9 and CC1 if needed. Under no circumstance, should an explorer/venturer etc. take County classes and use County hours since they do not belong to an organized fire department.

Being that Explorers are NOT members of a Fire Company/District, I find this hard to believe unless someone falsified documentation as to having physicals and SCBA certified. This can have serious implications as the restrictions to a true Explorer are numerous let alone them not being covered by a Company/District that they do not belong to. Also a reminder that PESH has started that the pump operator cannot abandon their position so it is two in and 3 out in NY.

COP uses Fairview almost exclusively but that may change in the near future. Arlington and New Hamburg both have FAST teams. We use Pleasant Valley as primary in the north end with COP and New Hamburg as backups. We use New Hamburg as primary in the south end with COP and PV as backups. We are normally called if Fairview goes to work in COP. I have only heard Highland with apparatus to Clover Street on a 3rd alarm for COP. Don't recall them being called for FAST (not saying they were not). As far as Hughsonville going to Highland, who knows, they might have been specified or managed because of the incident load at the time.

You may want to check your information as most of it is wrong.

I went to Garrison on Friday to look at the stick control. Nice rig. Good luck with it.

It is very unfortunate. However he also made a very tragic error in judgment. LoHud does not give the whole story. http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/press/cape_may/article_546c4efe-0ba6-11df-a0f2-001cc4c03286.html I wish him and his family the best.

FYI: The first time I received word about PESH's stance on the pump operator was through a Buffalo coorespondance in August of 1998, just prior to the implementation of the Respiratory Standard. In 2004, I was looking for the coorespondance and could not find the original so I contacted PESH and the attached e-mail was received. 2in3out.pdf

That is right. PESH stated early on that the pump operator could not be considered one of the two out. Remeber that they are the "rescue" team and PESH feels it is not a position that can be abandoned. I will look and see if I can find the paper.

Just a note. NY PESH is our agency that covers the OSHA law. They have made the decision that the pump operator can not be abandoned (contrary to note 1 paragraph (g))so in NY it is actually 2 in and 3 out.

What gives official designation to a "Dive Team"