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Here is a bit about the new ladder in Wappingers Body Model:100' Platform Sidestacker Body Material:Aluminum Cab Make/Model:E-One / Cyclone II Engine Brand/Model/Horsepower:Cummins / ISX-500 / 500HP Transmission Brand/Model:Allison / EVS4000 Water Pump Brand/Model:Hale / QMAX200-23 Pump Capacity:2,000 GPM Water Tank Capacity:300 Gallons Aerial Model (if applicable):100' Platform / Sidestacker Generator Make/Capacity:Onan / 6 KW

within next few weeks

Take a look at wappingers new ladder picture on this site ... also 100' ladder rear mount ...single axle .. but with bucket

I sent the information to the Fellowship of Christian Firefighters International

Join the Community Baptist Church, 226 All Angels Rd Wappingers Falls; Sunday November 4th for our annual Firefighter's Sunday Service and Luncheon

We area looking to start a Chapter of the Fellowship of Christian Firefighters, International in the Hudson Valley area. It is a very worthwhile group and helpful to our fireservice. If anyone is interrested please message me here or on my Facebook page. http://fellowshipofchristianfirefighters.com/

Rear mount will give us a shorter length, plus we will be able to "back" it in to be under wires.

It's a Village. On the Apartments when you are on Route 9, By double O Grill you can see some of the apartments behind there. Just for a history fact, one of the Newburgh FD is our sister company, started by the same person who started or fire company.

You left out that Wappingers also has a tall apartment complex and many medium size ones. We also have strip malls and the market place complex, near the river. Most of the buildings are balloon construction.We also have four large churches. Plus at least every other year we do a rescuse from some one who fell or jumped off the bridge by the falls. The need for the ladder truck is there, and trust me, if it wasn't. the village would not allow us to go get one.

As stated before, Wappinger's did have a ladder before the rest. More so you need to remember, that ladder builds are a bit different. It has to do with where the ladder is mounted, front or rear. The neighboring FD's have mid-mounted ladders. Because of the lay-out of the village, with the narrow streets, homes built on hills, etc. A rear mounted ladder is more important.

Ok let's look at this how the legal system will look at it .... the memo from the NYS DOH mentions while working in a EMS system. So we need to define EMS System first. And that will be: "a network of services coordinated to provide aid and medical assistance from primary response to definitive care, involving personnel trained in the rescue, stabilization, transportation, and advanced treatment of traumatic or medical emergencies. Linked by a communication system that operates on both a local and a regional level, EMS is a tiered system of care, which is usually initiated by citizen action in the form of a telephone call to an emergency number. Subsequent stages include the emergency medical dispatch, first medical responder, ambulance personnel, medium and heavy rescue equipment, and paramedic units, if necessary." Notice the it says trained in rescue. Next they will look at Standards. Standards are enforcable in court. Such as AHA CPR Standard. We will look at the grandaddy of standards NFPA. Let's look at NFPA 1001: Standard for Fire Fighter Professional Qualifications. Before we get that some are volunteers, the word professional in this case don't mean paid. 1.1 Scope. This standard identifies the minimum job performance requirements (JPRs) for career and volunteer fire fighters whose duties are primarily structural in nature. 1.2 PurposeThe purpose of this standard shall be to ensure that persons meeting the requirements of this standard who are engaged in fire fighting are qualified. It shall not be the intent of the standard to restrict any jurisdiction from exceeding these requirements. 4.3* Emergency Medical Care. Minimum emergency medical care performance capabilities for entry-level personnel shall be developed and validated by the AHJ to include infection control, CPR, bleeding control, and shock management Next they will look into your fire dept. Go pull out your by-laws or charter and I am sure it will state something very close in protecting life. Now for an example for you. You get toned out to an auto accident with person ejected. You FD is there before the ambulance, you being a firefighter/emt where are you going to go 1st? Hope this now helps

It says EMS System ..... thats the catcher

While we are at it, this gets into case law https://www.iaff.org/tech/PDF/Monograph3.pdf

Maybe this will help solve all this http://www.health.ny.gov/nysdoh/ems/pdf/98-05.pdf

The term is firefighters "are not trained"; you are a firefighter that IS trained. Let's think of it this way, if your department has the Jaws of Life on the engine and a firefighter operates that equiptment that is not trained on it and the patient gets injured more because of this, then you FD has a liability. Now even if they took the collars off the rigs, you still have a Duty to Act, with what you have, and in this cas ehold C-Spine.

This one is easy ... 1st of all the Good Sam law in NY only works if you are outside your agency ... such as drivig down the road and see an accident and you choose to act. And the law only limits you as long as you don't work outside your training or do something stupid. If you are an EMT (even though your FD does not provide an ambulance, please note that I said an ambulance) you still have a Duty to Act under your certification. Now to take this step to a legal side, if the courts pull your fire departments mission statement, which they will, I am sure in one way or the other it states that your fire department mission is to protect lives. This to shows that as an EMT with your fire department you have a Duty To Act.

It is really interesting that OFPC labeled this as a best practice. A best practice is legally viewed lower then a recommendation. That means OSHA/PESH can not use this under the General Duty Clause, and could make it hard to be used by unions and others to say that NY is requiring this, because in reality they are not.

Let me break this down ..... PESH/OSHA: all they care about is safety.... they could care less how you roll a hose or do forcible entry .... they do care about content when it comes to the main safety requirements (use of SCBA, bloodborne pathogens, that fun stuff) ... They did however put the requirement about how long the training should be. The content ... how many hours for fire house safety, equipment safety, etc, .... that fun stuff was ........ NY State Fire Chiefs Assoc. Basic Qualifications for firefighters.... that is NFPA but remember PESH/OSHA uses Standards under the General Duty Clause Now all that said and done, my feelings and just my feelings, is all that above is just minimum. You are kidding yourself thinking that's all you want to do and to make your program just meet that. You want to do better ... you want to provide all the training and all the tools for your firefighters to be able to do their best ... in the safest way possible. You goal shouldn't be " oooooo let's meet what NFPA or OSHA says." Your goal is to be ... what I need to do to help my firefighters do what they need to do .... and to get them back home safetly to their family, the same way they left. For those who don't know, besides all the years I have firefighting, I am the North Americian Safety Professional for a very large international company. To be honest, I know firefighting is a very dangerous job and sometimes our pride and tradition gets in the way. Accidents, as well as deaths, are preventable. All the firefighters that have lost their lives are heros, just like all of us that are still alive, each in our own way, are too. Last year the number of firefighter deaths are down. But, honestly can you see me going back to my company with stats like that. I can see it now: "Well I would like to report we had a very good year last year, we lost only 84. Out of that 90% wasn't on the fire scene. A good precentage of those were from returing or responding to a call. And, many of those are from us not seeing the person and backing over them or driving too fast and not wearing seat belts." After I gave a report something to that effect, I will be out the next morning looking on indeed.com for a new job. Think about the deaths of our brother and sisters in this service, wouldn't you do anything to just have another minute with them. Now look at all the rest of your firefighters around, would you want to be the one to tell their family that they weren't coming home any more? We need to stop .. career needs to do this, volunteer needs to do that .... OSHA says this NFPA says that . We need to say skip all that, what we need to do; is the best we can do and push for more. There is nothing more! I want you to do with your life is to sit back, and to for you enjoy your great grandkids, and all of us want you, as well as the rest of us to do the same. Ok that was my sermon for today!

There are no requirements from PESH except an hour training requirement ... when the talk about min training they defer to OFPC. Just note standards are enforcable in court .. such as CPR is a standard ... if you do CPR wrong .... well you get the picture Standards are also enforced by PESH/OSHA under the general duty clause. There was a case in Oneida County Court were a fire chief was convicted for criminally negligent homicide and that was part of the case

Being from that Era .... Don't laugh my EF course was sign by Nelson Rockerfeller Ok Barry .... it was just the EF course .. Initial Fire Attack wasn't started to mid 70's before then it was single company operations

"Now as a seperate issue does anyone cary propane on the rig (like for decon water heaters and air heaters for rehab tents)? If so how do you store them? I ask because we have been advised that it is illegal in NYS (NYSUB&FC) to have them inside a fire station. " Barry you are right about the propane. Just a fire prevention thing; this goes for homes too. I see many people keep their BBQ tanks in a garage on shed, which is illegal in NY. More so I love people in apartments who bring propane inside the apartment to BBQ on their deck

There is nothing NFPA about this. One thing to remember gas is flammable not combustible. As far as OSHA goes, the fire service bounces back and forth between two standards, depending on what they are doing. Those two standardes are 1910 and 1926. Under the general industary standard (1910) you need to look at 1910.106. Few things are needed to be pointed out. One is what we store the gas in 1910.106(a)(29) Safety can shall mean an approved container, of not more than 5 gallons capacity, having a spring-closing lid and spout cover and so designed that it will safely relieve internal pressure when subjected to fire exposure. Under that part OSHA (and in our case PESH) can fine you for not having a flame aresstor in the can, but that will only be a De Minimis violation. I am not anything eles in this standard about storage on a vehicle In 1926.152 it states 1926.152((2) Quantities of flammable and combustible liquid in excess of 25 gallons shall be stored in an acceptable or approved cabinet meeting the following requirements: I also looked into the Dept of Health, which oversees the RIght to Know and Haz-Com in NY. I don't see any requirements there. One suggestion I have when you purchase a new truck. Spec the cabinet that you are going to have flammable liquids in to be vented this way when you open the cabinet you don't get hit by the fumes. Least not to forget that firefighter that is always smoking while doing this.

It was PESH who came up with the number of training hours. It is in some old interpretation memo that they put out back in the mid-90's. As stated by the last poster, there is no way a fire company can get out of the bloodborne pathegens part because of MVA, and rescue is a part of the basic job discrption. Just like a fire company cannot get out of the haz-mat at the operation level, because when a haz-mat call comes in the first level (awareness) was already done at that point. TB being airborne is not a bloodborne pathegon, however, since back in the 90's NY state had a high incident rate of TB, PESH tacked it on then. Oh I know we have some highway workers on here, for that bunch PESH wants them at Haz-Mat awareness and they have a rabies standard that they need to do.

I like the MSA F1 SF. It is a really good helmet for the fire service, but will never go well here in the states. Look at the specs and the pictures here http://www.msa-europe.com/int/products/head-protection/fire-helmets/f1-sf-approved-to-en4432008/ So I'll just stick to my leather one

As some of you know, I work full time as a safety professional. So I deal with this subject all the time. What seems to confuse everyone there is a difference between firematic training and required safety training. The annual safety training is as follows and I will tell you who requires it: Annual Hazard Communication / Right to Know (chemicals in the workplace) (Haz-Com is OSHA/PESH Right to Know NY State Dept of Health) Annual Respiratory Protection training(for SCBAs) (OSHA/PESH) Quarterly Fire Brigade training (on any topic related to firefighting) (This is where the 100/8 hr part comes in; those numbers came from PESH) Annual HazMat Operations training (for basic interior / exterior firefighters who would assist at a HazMat scene) (OSHA/PESH … remember this is at the operation level and incident commanders MUST be at the Haz-Mat incident commander level. Having incident command is not Haz-mat incident command. Annual Workplace Violence Prevention training (OSHA/PESH) Escape ropes / systems training (if entering fire structures that are above ground level) (PESH) PPE training on how and when to wear personal protective equipment (bunker gear, safety glasses, hearing protection, etc.) (OSHA/PESH) Bloodborne Pathogens (OSHA/PESH) T.B. (PESH) Now the 100/8 hr annual training was never meant to be a class taken at once. That is the annual training under the fire brigade standard, which includes all types of training. So when you really think about it, no matter if you are career or volunteer even 100 hours is not going to cut it. Now let's talk safety refresher training. OSHA/PESH for most of the requirements state that refresher training is either classroom time or that you can show competency. Competency means you can give a test or do some sort of drill, documenting that everyone knew what to do. Either way it is a paperwork nightmare. Now the 8 hour "safety training". As I said before that 8 hour class came out of the fire brigade standard, as an annual training requirement for volunteers. This class as described below: General Hazard Recognition Station Safety Response Safety Scene Safety PPE SCBA Tools & Equipment New Developments Came from the NY State Fire Chiefs Association from a class they provide to help the volunteers meet the 8 hour and the annual safety (refresher) training requirements. As I said before the 100/8 hour was never meant to be a one class thing. However, this format, if you can get in all the required annual safety training will work. Best part is that the paperwork is easy to come up with. You just need to make sure you cover everything. If you have any questions, please feel free to email me.