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:ihearu: See above, I fixed it....Thanks for keeping me honest EMT301

:oops: Y'know you're right, I don't have exact details so I guess I'd better retract my statement. I don't mean to offend or in any way impune 60 Control or their dispatchers. They do a hell of a job overall. Suffice to say I have heard dispatchers, in general, advising of a call back from the homeowner or alarm company stating that the call is unneccessary. I know I've heard this on 46.26 and my opinion is that it is incumbent on the presiding FD to see the premisis first hand before making a determination on the call.

COMMENT EDITED OUT BY DOUG_E We should double the fine if they try to cancel!!! If it goes badly the IC ultimately will be held responsible, though. :-P Hey SEC - And here all this time we thought you were turning down the volume . . . go figure!:twisted:

They kinda' backed into that decision. :roll:

I know the feeling - Actually I wanted TL40 and E94 to be spec'd with them but they weren't...I had nothing to say on the TL40 committee and I couldn't get the E94 committee to bite.

You misunderstood - I WANT them on EVERY rig! You can never have too much light at the scene.

JBE - My opinion is that 60C and local juristdictions who dispatch are too concerned about the liability of having too many rigs responding "balls to the walls" for a possible "nothing" alarm. It's time for everyone to revamp our response policies and recognize that we live in a different time. A 10-20, or silent response reduces the chance of an accident enroute by 4 times and reduces the chance of a fatal accident by 10 times. While a silent response increases response time by only 40 seconds, on average. Simply changing our SOP's to have the 1st due Engine and Chiefs responding L&S and the rest silent will make things safer. If there is something upon arrival then we can expidite. It's interesting that we throw caution to the wind to "protect and serve." My opinion is that most civilians, driving these days, are idiots and they're so self important that they won't let a fire truck pull ahead of them for fear of getting stuck if we have to close the road (for their safety) ](*,) .

That's what we've begun to do in BM. Dispatch on .26 and intradepartmental comm's on WC-Fire Ground Ch#8. We also utilize our repeated "Band Aid" freq. too. In a couple of weeks we'll be moving to our new and improved system, anyway. =D>

How's that for timely posting!!!!

Briarcliff Manor R37 has one. If I had my way, and I don't, the new TL40 and the new E94 would both have them. From now on I would not spec a rig without one.

I lived for that sound when I was a kid!

I have to do one of these drills in the near future. So much emphasis is put on extrication that the miriad of other functions fall by the wayside.

Unfortunately, here in Westchester it seems there isn't a time when the alarm company calls back that we don't start returning apparatus. A bad habit for sure. I wish our dispatchers did what you mention JBE.

WE HAVE A WINNER!!! Remember585 - Good job...Figured it was fitting for the coming snow even if there is no school tomorrow. By the way Signal 31 was a full assignment. Back in the day pull boxes got a 1 & 1 and Car 2 & 3. A 10-75 got 2 & 1 with the Rescue - and a boat load of volunteers. Others were: Signal 11 - False Alarm Signal 26 - All Hands, 36 - Second Alarm, 46 - Third Alarm You next...

Okay, my turn, I guess.... (CAM502 and KEE404 can't play on this one, it wouldn't be fair) Keeping with the dispatching thread let's go east a little, to Mount Vernon, during the same era the 70's: Answer either question A or B A) In Mount Vernon, on the radio (KEE404) if you heard Car 2 call "Give me a 31" or "Signal 31, the box," What did he mean? What would he get? OR When the FDMV used fire horns at 0700 if they blew 9-9-9-9 What did that mean? Good luck...

This is a good topic. There are horror stories all over about alarm companies being misinformed and passing that misinformation on to local dispatchers. I believe Scarsdale had a situation where the alarm company called the home owner listed on the card, asked if all was okay and relayed that info to the local department. They in turn cancelled the apparatus enroute and returned to quarters. The duty boss called the alarm company for more information and asked for the home owners phone number and was told 718-555.????! Hearing that the boss transmitted the alarm again and upon arrival found a working house fire. The central station out in Podunk had no idea about the area code for the address, but the chief did. Never, never let anyone talk you out of at least a first hand drive by of the alarm address. On another note we had a recurring auto-alarm at a commercial building after business hours and this guy, working there late, decided to come out to see what the comotion was. As he walked around the back of the building he tripped and fell face first into a flagstone fire pit, destroying his upper lip. A bloody mess.... We'd been there a hundred times for the same thing, but on this night we learned that: Nothing is ever routine!

I seem to remember Yonkers using codes like that, also Division numbers. Back in the pan o' meat days... :wink: But for the life of me I can't remember what it is. If I had to take a stab I'd say 101, Division one today means 10-4, Batt 1....

I saw that webbing at the Nassau Cty. Fire show a couple of weeks ago. Unfortunately it takes a tragedy to move things forward in a positive way. Human nature, I guess.

On the pervious page someone wrote that the ropes would cost $90. Seems to me that I would have taken care of that on my own if I were in their position. Actually I have carried a rope since the 80's.

$90 a rope???!? That's a rip off! Frankly I'm surprised that the FDNY doesn't carry them, especially truck companies. That's roughly $1.2 million to outfit the department. In reality it should be less than half that amount for 35' of proper rope and a steel caribiner.

He could fly an airplane over Westchester County. . . He could pilot a boat in the Sound. . . He could operate a combine, and probably does that too. . . Why then, can't he drive an ambulance? :-k I certainly wouldn't suggest that we lower our ages locally, due to congestion and traffic. But if he's monitored properly and he demonstrates appropriate maturity and restraint there is no reason at all to think that a 16 year old is incapable of doing this. That doesn't mean every 16 yo could. Heck there are 40+ yo's who can't drive for s*&$$*. That's outside the box thinking. I think we've all become too cloistered in our baby bumper, over protected society. Hell I have to have the dexterity of a clarinet player to light a cigarette these days. I say more power to them! Just steer clear of Spartanburg County SC for a while....

Want to see some serious numbers? http://www.nyc.gov/html/fdny/pdf/stats/ems..._cwsum_cy04.pdf

This month's Popular Mechanics has Jay Leno taking a spin in it for them.

We had a deck colapse a few years back with multiple injuries at a house on a narrow road. Way too many POV's, Chief's Cars, and PD until one car parked too far away from the curb and the whole operation started to break down. Ambulances needed to U turn or re-direct which added 5 to 10 minutes to the response time. And this in a community that doesn't respond to fires in POV's.

Increasing the time it takes to drop a load of water lowers the overall GPM for the fire. Simple math tells us that if you have 2000 gallons in a 20 minute turnaround you are delivering 100 gpm. Add 5 minutes to that for someone to move a car and you drop the gpm to 80. People need to recognize that parking inappropriately at a fire incident could be the same as parking at a fire hydrant.