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Anything interesting apparatus-wise at the Harrisburg Expo this year?

Bump. Vigil is this Wednesday, please spread the word.

Bump.......event is TONIGHT!

Oh, it will have a ton of tactical equipment as that's it's primary purpose.

ANy reason why it's not being called a "rescue" instead a "utility"?

Also, another question about the new Eninge, will it fit inside Riverside Hose? I know the current Engine is kind of a tight fit. Thanks for the info.

Will it be repainted? I remember seeing this truck in 1996 at LGA airport, and it was awesome. I believe someone had said that the PAFD obtained it from a volunteer company. Will it be house outside Riverside like U-61 is? Also, what will be done with the current U-61? I know Stiloski's and Tarrytown FD members put a lot of work into it, will you be keeping it for others purposes or selling it? I'm sure there would be other departments that would love to have the old U-61 if you guys aren't keeping it. Best of luck in your new aqquisition.

Congrats to Tarrytown on earning this grant!!

Thanks for the heads up, Steve. So is this going to become a Rescue Truck or utility? The only Volvo Rescue I can remember seeing is the old one from the Port Authority FD, which was being sold. (Scroll down) http://www.fdnytrucks.com/files/html/specialunits/papd.htm Also, how much room for manpower does this have,and where would it be housed?

Awesome shot Eli, thanks for sharing? Anyone know what the radio designation for the truck will be, or where it will be housed?

What were the changes that caused the price to rise? Specifics please. Cap, from their website it appears they currently run almost all E-Ones, including Riverside House, except for their ALF Tower Ladder.

I don't understand what you're saying. Over the past 10 years, has there not been significant drama within Tarrytown FD that has been publicized? I am not calling out the department, just saying there seems to be a lot of reocurring tension within the department, which is relevant to this situation. This was publicized in the local newspaper, and therefore we are discussing the situation based on what we have. Don't demonize the site for it. If anyone's comments are incorrect, feel free to provide the facts. And FYI, this is being discussed on other forums and published on other sites as well. And it is sparking notice from fire apparatus industry professionals. My views posted here have NOTHING to do with the administration of this site. Also, you have no right to tell myself or any other member how to use this site. That's what the moderators are here for, and any thread a moderator is involved in another moderator moderates-but I AM NOT A MODERATOR exactly because of this perception you have,nor do I dictate anything to them-they have their own independent workgroup and I take care of the admin and tech stuff. FYI. Also, who said we don't call out department's past issues like that? Are you making rules by yourself for this forum that don't exist? Also, what do you think the educated common taxpayers who read this article will take from this? And are you a property owner in Tarrytown Village? As a taxpayer (if you are), how do you feel about this?

Seems like there is always some kind of internal drama with Tarrytown FD over the years, either with personel, stations, equipment, gaming machines, training tower, parades etc. Maybe we don't know 1/10th of what's going on, but maybe someone could explain since it's in the press. The core issue here is the Engine bid. It seems like since Seagrave was the only one who could qualify for the bid since a stainless steel cab was spec'd. We all know Seagrave is the cadillac of fire apparatus in some cases, and Excelsior provides excellent sales support and service. And Spartan and Seagrave cabs are different. However, Tarrytown's apparent claims and actions that Seagrave is the only apparatus that will work for them, especially when it costs significantly more is ridiculous. To carry ten guys also limits it to Seagrave, as most manufacturers won't make that capacity cab anymore for safety and maintainence reasons. This basically is just another case of a department writing a specific spec so that no one else can win the bid that got caught in the news. I don't know if that's technically bid rigging if Seagrave is the only one who can meet the spec...is that a "loophole"? Also, Tarrytown FD made some outrageous comments in the article that the public may not realize but the numerous people who have a ton of experience spec'ing rigs on this thread, as well as on other forums nationally, did. The people speaking on Tarrytown's behalf completly contradict themselves numerous times in the article, show ignorancy in the knowledge of the fire apparatus industry, failure to do their homework, and provide false facts. And, call out East-West to say they aren't qualified is ridiculous. The two partners in the company have spec'd rigs for FDNY and LAFD. They obviously had concerns that a third party might call them out. The Tarrytown trying to rig the bid on public record!!! And the Village is on record as saying that it did follow proper guidelines, which they apparently did. But again, this is common practice with avoiding the proprietarty bid system, it's not just Tarrytown, but they sure have shone the spotlight on it. I just keep re-reading that article in disbelief that fire service officials could actually make those kind of statements. AND, to top that, they basically eluded that other fire companies in the Village have spec'd apparatus very poorly!

Very odd markings and color, wonder why it's not in the Transcare colors?. Also, "Emergency Response Unit" is so vague, could be anything. Hopefully someone can fill us in. Good catch.

What about Tarrytown's 2 brand new firehouses that are pretty lavish? Who cares what the Village Board did in this situation? Just because they were fiscally irresponsible in your opinion, does that mean that the fire department is just being fiscally irresponsible to prove a point? Are they showing their opposition by being fiscally lavish? The bad taste in peoples mouths...I understand...but c'mon....

2 more thoughts..... I believe only Seagrave provides a stainless steel cab that is very study. All other manufacturers use aluminum. I don't know why this would be an issue for Tarrytown, as a majority of their apparatus is constructed entirely of aluminum. Another thing, if Tarrytown is sending 10 firefighters out of district, what if something happens in Tarrtown? Also, as other people mentioned, specs should be as generic as possible. If the fire department submits specs, then it is the responsibility of the village to award the contract to the lowest biddder. In fact, it seems like Tarrytown has been lavished in cash over the past few years. Municpalities don't usually dicatate what a department purchases. If DPW goes to bid for sand/salt for winter, and 3 bidders come in with the same salt/sand product, is the village going to pick the highest bidder? As far as the ammunition for PD is concerned, if PD spec's a certain brand and type of bullet to go with, and 3 different vendors come in with the same price for the same product spec'd, isn't it their responsibility to pick who can procide it at the lowest cost?= There is a ton of bid rigging going on in Westchester, and it's always been common practice. Most often, dealers write the specs for the departments, or some consultants (no one in particular) write biased bids for departments who want a certain product. Now, if they wanted something like a Seagrave Aerialscope or Pierce PUC, that's a different story since those are unique products. Of course, we all know Seagrave is reliable, but they are very pricy which is why you see them mostly in service with big budget departments, especially volunteer. They've recently introduced some lower cost items, but I feel Seagrave really needs to step up in the pricing arena in order to succesfully compete....especially when Ferrara, Spartan, and Pierce introduce stainless steel cabs. You get what you pay for, but at what cost in this economy?

From FireNews.org I know Milford FD is a career department. Is Engine 260 still an active firefighting company? I know they're the ones who put on the muster.

http://www.lohud.com/article/20100519/NEWS02/5190386/1018/Hartsdale-firetruck-runs-off-road Hartsdale doesn't seem to be having much luck with aerials.....glad no one was hurt Hopefully they will get a brand new or refurbished TL-15 back as soon as possible...

Regardless, is 10 guys in an engine safe? Isn't the trend going towards all foward facing seats like I have been seeing in most new deliveries nowadays? And is every seat a SCBA seat? If so, it must get crowded in there....... I know that Tarrytown can put out that kind of manpower, and that Seagrave may be the only manufacturer nowadays able to provide a cab like that. Regardless, see my previous post on Crimson.....

To prove a point, I have a feeling Tarrytown firefighters are going do everything to make the Crimson rig a disaster. I can't believe Tarrytown Fire Department officials made such insane, misleading statements to the press. They really should be embarrased. Are they living in a cave? Did they even visit Crimson's website?? As far as references, obviously they didn't do their homework. If these engines work and are proven to hold up in very demanding enviroments such as Dallas, Chicago, and San Francisco, all of which have many in their fleet with large orders pending, then I'm sure that it will work fine in Tarrytown. I understand the trust some departments have in Seagrave, but to throw a fit about this is ridiculous. It's not like they made them get a more budget friendly engine. Crimson builds a very comprable product. Tarrytown is also a department that used E-One almost exclusively for a while, except for that $1 million dollar American Lafrance Tower they bought several years ago. So are they saying all those apparatus do not work for Tarrytown? Does't appear they are falling apart to me. It sounds like a temper tantrum they didn't get what they want and didn't want to go by the bidding process, and they just spotlighted themselves for that. Crimson builds an excellent, HIGHLY customizable product, and many smaller departments down here in Texas use them. My city here has two, and you can a photo profile of one here: http://www.emtbravo.com/NewDeliveries/rrfde1.html and another adjacent district's new Crimson: http://www.emtbravo.net/index.php?showtopic=35671 Also, Chicago and Dallas both use them exclusively for all their apparatus needs, and both have large orders for both pumpers and aerials pending. In addition, San Francisco has 5 Crimson Engines and 3 Crimson Tillers on order. Crimson is owned by Spartan and engineered for a Spartan chasis, so technically they are a single source builder. I don't think Tarrytown will be dissapointed. If they work and hold up in Dallas, Chicago, etc I'm sure that they'll hold up in Tarrytown just fine. But their actions worry me that they are going to make a spectable about this, and if I were Crimson I wouldn't want their business. Besides, shouldn't we be writing generic specs anyways?

DPW is absolutely essential, and that's not what I meant. It is easier to make cutbacks in these and other departments FIRST, as you can reduce hours, manpower, reduce servic(s)e frequency, and look to the department employees for in-house ways to save money to avoid any layoffs. Also, you can cut library hours, close or reduce parks and rec programs, find ways to conserve fuel, etc. Sure, these programs contribute to the quality of life.....but the preservation of life and property ultimately lay with the Firefighter, Police Officers, and EMS workers. Without them, there would be no city to service. My question was, was any of this action taken BEFORE making FD and PD layoffs?

That's only because there's been no strong contenders against him (Bill Pohlman was, RIP). I'm not suprised, as every municipality is looking to blame Fire and Police unions for their situations. This is not a Paul Feiner issue per say, just a growing movement to set back all the progress unions have made to benefit their members and give them a fair working enviroment. I could throw the blame on the people that elected him, but since very few people vote, and when they do, it seems like you have to choose who is worse then the other. Additionally, blaming voters is not going to impact anything right now, and I hope to see the Greenburgh unions take a stand to this ridiculous proposal. This proposal has the potential to gain momentum in the economic climate, and if it does, it's basically union-busting.

Thanks, guys! It looks like it is finally up on the Ferrara site and is in production! http://www.ferrarafire.com/CustomerSupport/InProduction/pages/4552/4552.html

Ridiculous!!

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