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Photo/Images: http://photos.nj.com/star-ledger/2011/08/bus_tractor-trailer_collide_on_1.html

Nobody is "Monday Morning Quarterbacking" in this thread. Most of the discussion has been based on the scenario. HFD and YFD both did great jobs, and NO ONE is questiong that. Additionally, it's not your job to tell other members "end of story". If your bored with a thread, don't read it. If you have an issue with a thread or member, contact a staff member. It's our determination. This has been a constructive discussion, and nobody is criticizing the incident or speculating on the incident itself. People need to stop criticizing this forum and discussions, this is, for the most part, an excellent example of two threads this week that EMTBravo is all about. With that said........ Car fires aren't as simple as they used to be. With a variety of cars out there using a variety of fuel or electricity to propel them, along with safety features that can become dangerous when on fire, puts a whole new spin on car fires. Additionally, here in Central Texas, we are experiencing a major heat wave, with temps above 100 for over 70 days now, and a exceptional drought that has left everything bone dry-including large fields and heavy brush. A simple car fire here can cause massive damage to the surrounding area....and I'm talking in square miles in some cases. So it needs to be extinguished quickly. Some of the hills out here make Yonkers look flat, so containing any fuel runoff is critical in those areas. Remember, most gasoline brands contain about 5-10% ethanol in their regular fuel, if not more. Whereas gas floats to the surface, it is eventually extinguished by water. Sometimes,depending on the weather, spilled gasoline will evaporate quickly. Ethanol continues to burn, because it mixes with water. E85, which is 85% ethanol, and can be seen by the "Flex Fuel" label on most vehicles, presents a whole new problem, making car fires much more hazardous. Ethanol also doesn't always produce visible smoke or sometimes flame, so it could be burning without you knowing. To effectively extinguish an ethanol fire, you need an alcohol resistant foam. Just something to look out for at a stubborn car fire.

I remember when I worked at 60 Control, 87-A-1 was used for just about anything. It responded on the Grasslands campus basically all day. It could and actually would be used for mutual aid in surrounding communities, even White Plains and New Rochelle. The concept at the time was that an ambulance would be readily available for the Grasslands campus and WMC facilites, such as the Jail and related facilities, Ruth Taylor, the clinics, NY Medical College, the Juvenille Detention Center, the Fire Training Center, and the Police Academy. And, as part of mentioned above, it responded to incidents around the Grasslands area, often being the first on scene of major incidents. Who pays for 87-A-1? And will this place a greater burden on Hawthorne VAC and Valhalla VAC? I know both have paid crews now, but when you take away those crews for Grasslands, who's going to be covering the residents of Hawthorne and Valhalla? Is the Fire Brigade still funded. Nothing against anyone, I understand their primary purpose nowadays is to interface with FD's since they know the infastructure well, but the number of EMS calls on campus blows away the number of fire brigade calls.

Pretty interesting way to look at things. FULL STORY: http://www.statesman.com/news/local/hiring-officers-could-save-austin-money-police-official-1768467.html

Sounds like he lived a full life and was a tremendous value to the Ossining community. RIP.

And, come to think of it...the fire service can use the same excuse! (Except they did- the Fire Patrol and they shut that down)

EMTBravo Anti-Negativity Initative: If you have any questions or concerns, feel free to PM me. Let's not take this excellent thread off course with bickering and keep it to PM.

I would love to! The whole fleet, especially the BRAT! But it would be a heck of a drive, lol! Thank you for posting photos, Mark, and keep at it, please, I really appreciate everyone who posts incident photos. I'm just trying to make a point in a few threads that you can't make a judgment or constructive critique from photos posted here. I apologize, my intent wasn't to "bicker", rather illustrate the reasons why you really can't speculate on photos. I'm trying to tale a strong stance on this so more members will post incident photos and more IC's will feel comfortable coming on here to give us the facts and details. This thread is excellent, we have great photos and information, and you got the ball rolling which, in turn, made this a positive and constructive thread and *some* members don't respect that, and it's ticking me off.

It was? Were you on scene, or holding a beef (pun intened) with the Medic on scene? You give a lot of advice, based on speculation on the photos (which most people on here hate-especially since the IC was nice enough to come on here and gave us the rundown on what happened-read that). I'm sure the patient was treated appropriately, but it cannot be discussed in detail on here...little thing called HIPPA just to get started. AGAIN-DONT SPECULATE ON PHOTOS-PEOPLE ON HERE HATE IT, AND THE IC EVEN GAVE A DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF THE CALL!!! LET'S BE APPRECIATIVE OF THAT AND THE PHOTOS POSTED!

NYPD has out to bid Eight (8) ESS Trucks on a heavy duty 2 door chasis with a stainless steel body, with an option for 4 more. I guess this will be replacing NYPD's current Mack/Saulsbury's. I have heard E-One came in with the right price. Just an interesting note, E-One bought Saulsbury several years ago. As far as I know, bids are currently being tabulated.

George is back!

I think that one of Code 3's downfalls in the past couple of years is no one was buying the models when they first come out. Because everyone learned, the way they were doing business, in a few weeks it would be on sale or discounted, so everyone waited. Sometimes it would go on sales, sometimes it wouldn't. And they were making ridiculous quantites for a collectible item. Now, the question is, are they going to liquidate what they have left, or are they going to play on the game that the models are really going to become collectors models and hold prices the same? They used to also announce releases by the quarter, and would build anticipation. Being a member of the Code 3 club got you a newsletter, a exclusive club model, exclusice access to "The Workshop" where they had special photos and info, and free shipping. Also, they sporadically made releases available at discount stores, such as Wal Mart, Toys R Us, KB, etc. I think models should be purchased from the stores dedicated to the hobby, like Past Time. If Code 3 were to drop prices to a realistic level and partner with a chain store, since they are owned by a company that makes and distributes toys and has agreements in place with numerous retailers, I think that would have have generated some business.

Chief- thank you for coming on here on giving us insight on the incident. Much appreciated, and I wish more Chiefs were like you in embracing the sharing of information. Second, Mark, nice shots! My only suprise was Wasaaic's Rescue. I guess I've never seen it before. Given the talent in that department, I would have thought it to be much bigger. But seems like it's the right size to get close to an incident, especially something like this.

Yonkers was there for the same reason Hastings was. The car was on fire. Both agencies have fire engines and firefighters. Sometimes, on the border, dual departments are dispatched, especially when you have such a fragmented dispatch systen. But you don't have time to sort rhat out because time is not your friend. We could pick this apart forever. Now that everyone has camera phones and cameras that take videos, we're always under the gun for criticism and everyone thinks that they are an expert. This is why everyone complains about this forum. If someone on scene that is an officer wants to come on here and comment or give insight and maybe answer questions, fine. I'd love to see that. But they are under no obligation to answer to their tatics here, other then if they wannt to use this to enhance firefighter safety. So, relax on the critcism. I'm pretty sure this is not the first car fire these guys have put out, and I'm sure they can use the video to learn. Again, this is what give the forum a bad name. I think a video like this is a great learning tool, but these types of threads actually make people not want to share their experiences. Everyone wants to criticize other departments, but when it comes to their own department..... I think this is an excellent video to learn from. But I'm sure Hastings and Yonkers wouldn't appreciate speculation.

Joe, very well said. It wasn't the current economic situation that caused this. Read my post above. And Code 3 has a lot of tools, and a lot of dies, that may be worth something to someone. Time shall tell.

Great shots, Ron! Do you have the Heavy Rescue to share? There are some new ARFF trucks being spec'd, supposed to be state of the art. A new Pierce PUC Aerial for a new landside station that should be built in 2012 from what I am told. In addition, they are supposed to get a tractor trailer version of the trauma unit for airside ops. They have a GREAT fleet, especially for Pierce fans!

Larry, from FireEngines.net, has posted this tribute. Very well done. http://fireengines.net/articles/code3_goodbye/

Very sad news. I know the economy is bad, and people don't have as much disposable income anymore, but Code 3 has been dying in the past few years, even before this reccesion, mainly because of the extremly out of touch "leadership" of the company. They should have kept the original staff, or at least made an effort to, and kept to their enthusiastic original business model. Instead, they incorporated it into Funrise, forced all the Code 3 leadership and staff out, jacked their prices up beyond the reach of their avergage customer, ceased any type of collector relations, and hasn't done any R&D since at least 2007. When they closed their original bulletin board, I knew that was the nail in the coffin. Although there was drama, a lot was accomplished on it. Hopefully, someone can pick this up and bring it back to what it used to be.

I just recieved this book after hearing some fantastic things about it. This book should be an essential read for all first year rookie firefighters! Available at http://www.fire-police-ems.com/books/br9335.shtml If you buy from the above, mention you found this book through EMTBravo.

Draamatic photo and good article: http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/08/fdny_rescues_truck_sanitation_garage.php

BTW, ryang, great job on the IA!

Bedford Hills FD New Engine 199 2011 Seagrave Replaces a 1991 Pierce http://www.bedfordhillsfd.org/ Special thanks to Cutty630, Hooks057, and for the photos!

Drunk Man Pees on Sleeping Girl During JetBlue Flight http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/08/drunk_man_pees.php

Great shots, Ron!