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If you are referring to the "Anti-Negativity" policy posted in July of 2011, that is now obsolete. (Not to you personally). There is no "policy" on younger members. Listen and learn. Just because you don't know something, don't post speculation trying to make it look like you are knowledgeable. There's no age discrimination towards younger members, we just expect mature comments with correct grammar and relevant information. There's a lot of experience on this board, and I encourage the younger members to listen, and join in with questions or insight. The way you present yourself on this forum determines how others will view and treat you. You are absolutely right. We do clamp down on any racist, sexist, and homophobic comments-the reasons are obvious. As far as the comment "career vs. volunteer" comments getting clamped down on, that is an absolutely different situation that has been a claim since day one of this forum, usually made when either side gets offended by anothers opinion on the matter. If you are offended by a comment from the "other side", come up with a respectful rebuttal. And, as far as that, we'll let the discussion go on unless it deteriorates in a "flame war" or "bashfest". We can't babysit the forums 24/7. If you see a post with one of these types of comments that concerns you or you believe violates the rules, hit the "Report Post" button, which will bring it to a Moderator's attention and it will be dealt with.

So, why is it easier to deploy a trash line to wash down gear and equipment on a scene, do mass decon or rehab, wash down a sidewalk or street, etc and then have to repack it instead of just reeling it back up, taking one person a few seconds? I'm not talking as a fire suppression line.

Read more: http://canyonwalkerconnections.com/two-burning-buildings-one-car-crash-and-three-saved-lives-all-in-a-days-work/

On the update, HME sent it to Gowans-Knight to replace the body mounts and several other frame structures. It has been returned to Stamford.

Here's another angle: I hope they are keeping her inside at a storage facility or in a bay.

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I thought Mount Vernon was doing good there for a while. As far as the City sending crews to fix the problems, what they say to the press they are going to do is not always what they are going to actually do. And they won't send in an experienced HVAC company either, it will be some guy from the city with no training I bet. The cheapest thing to do right now, IMO, is to knock down all the firehouses and build new ones, instead of paying to put band-aids on problems that are just going to get worse;

I read in the month's Fire Apparatus Journal that the PAPD got fined by the FAA for lack of cross training. As part of the deal, the PAPD will create a separate firefighting units at JFK, LGA, and Teterboro This stems from the PO's assigned to ARFF weren't given the proper training or oversight from those above. FAJ is reporting that the new fire department will be online by March 2014. Does anyone have anything more to elaborate on this? Are they going to hire firefighters now?

Great article, great topic! Read more: http://articles.philly.com/2013-06-23/news/40148290_1_first-responders-firefighters-ptsd

We can sit here all day and argue this. I respect your view points and experience greatly. I understand what you are getting at. Sometime, I like to play devils advocate to get a good discussion going. Here's another situation, and it's not directed at anyone. Let's say a Police Officer arrives on a weekday, at a structure fire with children trapped in a rural area of the county. He knows that it would take the first due with minimal manpower at the very least 15 minutes to get there. He maintains his safety and waits, despite the screams of the parents. However, there is a fire chief who arrives on scene by himself, make entry, and gets trapped. Dispatch just toned out for the 3rd time for a driver for the engine, and a full crew for the ambulance. Now what? All I'm trying to say is not every situation is black and white.

So then, what is the resolution to do in these types of situations where the FD is not on scene yet and lives are at stake? It's easy to say "Wait for the FD", but realistically? If someone is brought out of the fire structure by a civilian and PD is first arriving, should they not do CPR since it's "not their job" and the person might have contaminents on them? Should FD develop an SOP and do in-service training with PD so that we can all work together safely to save life and property?

The comparison of FD/EMS staging at a violent incident is irrelevant to this type of incident. Cops. Firefighters. EMT's and Paramedics. 911 Dispatchers. We are (the true ones) are in it to HELP people. We need to WORK TOGETHER, no matter what! This whole "it isn't their job" finger pointing is ridiculous. At some point, all of our jobs are going to overlap in order to serve the people who need it. I've seen and heard of numerous incidents where Police Officers have arrived first and assisted in alerting and evacuating residents, especially in large structures. They aren't trying to be firefighters, they are trying to help-there is no agenda. And, as I said, it happens all the time nationwide.

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So, there's this special on Discovery tonight about a guy who has a family history/legacy of walking tightropes. (They once performed in Hartsdale when I was a kid). Well, one of the descentants, Nik, is trying live tonight to walk across the canyon on a tightrope with no harness, net, or anything. He doesn't strike me as smart, talented, or an entertainers. I had to change the channel when he said he has to kiss his kids and wife goodbye each time he leaves knowing he may not come back home. Maybe it's just me, but when you put yourself intentionally in danger for fame and bragging rights, and you have kids and a wife, it's not bravery, it's selfishness. I understand carrying on family tradition, but I don't understand why he wants to do it without a tether at least. It's either succeed, or fall to his death, on live worldwide TV/ Also to note, his great grandfather died walking between two buildings in Miami on a tightrope and fell. Discovery Channel- Live views and information - Click Here

Just saw an apparatus delivered with Pyrolance technology. Seems pretty neat, has or does anyone use it locally? More on the Pyrolance technology: http://www.pyrolance.com/ Photo of DFW's unit: http://www.bensware.com/firetrucks/DFWAirportEZ19-3465.jpg Photo and Info Credit: Ben Saladino DFW Fire Equpment News

Although EMS and EMD are a lot more alert to the potential of CO, there are still a lot of EMS agencies that don't use the personal CO alert devices. Nor do I see a lot of FD rehab protocols that call for CO monitoring. But we're getting off topic. These officers did what they have to do. And three people are alive because of it. And I know a large majority of those preaching waiting for FD, if they were in the same situation they would have done the same thing. It's in ALL of out blood. .

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What about Mohegan Sun or Foxwoods? Could those be options as well?

Great shots, Eli! Some really cool apparatus there this year. I love the new Boston KME Ladder!

The couple was elderly. It is entirely possible that they accidentally left the car running. As for practical scenario testing, how often to you intubate with the patient on a table in a favorable position, with plenty of room and with all the supplies neatly arranged with adequate lighting? I understand the concerns about going into a structure with possible CO, and the deadly side effects.I don't have the details to speculate any more about this incident. This country is built on citizens making sacrifices for their fellow citizens. I agree with keeping yourself safe, because you can't help anyone if you're not.....but sometimes I think we are wrapping ourselves so much in personal safety bubble wrap that eventually, it will harm us and the people who we serve.

I feel, in this instance, these officers did a great job. Making a traffic stop is far more dangerous then this to a police officer. But should they stop making traffic stops? No. There may be other opinions, but that is mine and I stand by it. I can think of many other counterpoints to the opposing arguments, but there is no point, my opinion is not going to change. So smoke and CO detectors are useless? They were elderly, and this is not something unheard of. There should be more of a focus on promoting these alarms, so we're not having these types of situations progress.

But, god forbid, hypothetically on another call, they were ambushed upon arrival. But they protected others from the assailant. Just because they were injured or killed, it automatically means they didn't do a "great job"? Also, what if this occured in a remote part of the county where the FD might be 15 minutes out? And the cops just sat outside while this guy died inside waiting for the FD to arrive? I've also seen numerous fires in which guys were overhauling with no SCBA. Studies have shown that CO and other gases is high in those atmospheres, and although there is equipment available, it is rarely monitored. Are those guys doing a great job? I think the main culprit in this incident should be the promotion of wired CO detectors to prevent these incidents from getting this far in the first place.

So, leave him and his parents there to die while they just watched? If you saw someone trying to get out of a burning car, would you just stand there and watch until FD arrival? If you saw a man collapse in the middle of an intersection, would you just stand there and watch because you didn't have a traffic safety vest? And how do you know what information the officers got from dispatch, and what they encountered. We don't have the facts to be scrutinizing these officers. I'm sure if it were two neighbors or off duty firefighters, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Sometimes, you need to risk some to save some. These officers evacuated the parents immediately, and went in for the son, who was moments away from death. Or, as you put it, "balls over brains". Or booksmart vs. streetsmart. It's easy to anylyze an incidents afterwards, but when you're in the moment, you do what you are trained to do. Anyone who's had enough experience on the job knows when you are exposed to situations like this, you're often taken to the hospital just as a precaution. Such as firefighters with smoke inhalation. So just because the officers went to the hospital doesn't mean anything signifcant. And the "previous IDLH incident" you refer to is like apples and oranges and doesn't need to be rehashed here. The Police Officers in this situation took heroic action, for nothing else but to save lives. I'm not saying whether their actions were right, nor am I saying it was wrong. But 3 people are alive. Again, 'nuff said.

'Nuff said. Great job.

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