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Good Luck; If you have to "Phone a Friend" ask them to dial 911. It doesn't matter where you are when you call 911. Every firehouse in the country has one guy that knows everything!

Now that we are on Escalators, try this you tube link on fora potential rescue course http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npfa-t_i9vE You guys are quick...I was looking for it and you were posting it! Good response time

There is one guy who could possibly break a Halligan. I had him in proby school years ago and was nicknamed The Greek. Find Greek and see if he can do it. He was in White Plains.

I don't think ANYONE has ever broken a Halligan, and no one ever will. Even if the brakes fail, the elevator operates on counterweights, and the wheel would very slowly only an inch or two at most before it wedges against the Halligan. BECAUSE OF THE WEIGHTS, THE CAR SHOULD NORMALLY MOVE UP, NOT DOWN. Sorry about the all caps. I wasn't yelling at you, Frank, the "caps lock" button was stuck.

Along with Rescue training, if elevators are starting to appear in your town you might want to consider 1. Getting your elected officials to enact an elevator code requiring periodic inspectiona by qualified inspectors. 2. In that code specify a Fire Service key so that all future elevators will have the sane key. If you really want to be proactive, get your neighboring towns to specify the same key. Your nearest big city may already have a key specified. That's the key you want to specify. 3, Clip a Fire Service Ket to each FD portable radio. Bob Benz gave you a great list of size-up considerations. Since you only have 2 elevators and they are new, you probably won't have a lot of elevator runs. Why not laminate Bob's list and put it in your elevator kit or command vehicle.

If no Windex is around, I've seen a guy knock down a pretty good kitchen fire with a bottle of club soda. Thumb over the top like a garden hose then shaken, not stirred.

For the guys that asked. Here's the basic thread carried over from "Chimney Fires." Looks like you have my opinion on PPV during attack.

antiquefirelt has a good quote on PPV in the Chimney fire thread.but I couldn't bring it over to this thread. It's a good point, and should be read also.

Don't throw it out. 20 years from now you can ask the new guys "What is it?' Then tell them it's a Detroit Door Opener.

10-4 The one with no label...just like my cell phone, GPS,etc

Attack PPV...Want more? Start a thread and see what comes up I'll jump in later Gerge: What buttons/ I don't see no stinkin' buttons!

There is a motion on the floor and seconded. All in favor of the 4 Dispatchers doing an OK job say AYE...the ayes have it...they did their best. Just remember that you have at least 3 experienced officers saying exactly the same thing, that's more than 95% surety that's the way it went down

I am not too old to change. But I've been to courses and demos by guys like Mittendorf and the West Coasters. The thing that always glares out to me is the CONTROL thing. The examples they use and the demos they build always have control because they built them to prove their point! Possibly NIST will be able to explain to me the scientific difference between Attack PPV and a Boy Scout blowing on a handful of tinder. I personally favor the Coordinated Outside Vent/Interior Attack. Notice I said coordinated. It takes communications practice and finesse, but it works. I learned it in the early '70's from the Bronx guys when the "Bronx was Burning." The Bronx is still standing. The west Coast loses entire cities, as in "Well, we lost Oakland the other day." Then they build it back up with wood roofs again. Sorry I left the thread on chimneys.

I heard the same radio transmission and tried to verify what they actually wanted. Unable to verify, we went with our original orders to reeport to 233 st, My only means of communicating with my apparatus was via Nextel because alll freq's were loaded with unnecessary traffic.

I always had a Reason for doing what I did: Line to interior..obviously treated sa a structure fire AFFF...because dry chem will reignite if the surface is hot Chains...to gently as possible knock down the creosote chunks..does no more damage than the chimney sweeps brushes No PPV on attack...even the PPV gurus tell us that we need control of the openings (both interior and exterior) before using PPV. I have never had that control. For an example, look at something like a hi hat light. The fixture is loaded with vent holes. PPV will make good use of those holes to move fire where you don't want it. You would never open a wide angle fog line in the front doorway because it pushes fire. Why then would you start up a fan which does the same thing? Locate, CONFINE, extinguish...these three words are right up there with CRAWL. PS:For overhaul, PPV is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Why now? You now can control the openings. Before you Attack PPV guys start throwing rocks at me, give me a little warning so I can get my helmet on.

1. Line to room as backup. More lines if indicated 2, Put out fire in box w/ AFFF 2 1/2 gal can ( Steam from this also quiets chimney fire a little) 3. Chains down from top (if no chimney chains any chains on a rope will do) Then Afff from top. 4. Afff at bottom to handle any drop-down chunks 5 Do a good overhaul annd secondary search around chimney, attic

Cap, your recollection of the events of that day is almost my recollection to the letter. I was duty DC, so I stayed back. We too were loading up with EMS supplies, and fueling up, and off-duty guys coming in with their own sawzalls and pry bars in anticipation of a major rescue effort that never happened. My Capt that went to 233rd St recounts the same occurrences as you. Be it known, also, that you and I have never discussed this before, but the recollections are still vivid, and the same story line. Unfortunately the heroism of the 343 has been forgotten today by most Americans. When I half-mast my flag on Sept 11, I am now asked what's the half-mast for. A hundred years from now the 343 will only be remembered by future Firefighters, and then, only if we don't let our Brotherhood go by the wayside.

Bill you are absolutely correct about freelancing on 9/11. Along with a lack of control by 60 Control, only a few of us did what we were told, and responded to where we were told. When all is told, it sounds more heroic to say "We responded to ground zero" as opposed to "We were sent to staging at 233rd St, and then assigned to a Bronx House" Let's lay a portion of the blame on the freelancers, too.

Glad somebody appreciates my humor. Is the bravo for the "runs" or for not filling out the forms? I would have done the forms, but I don't have a FDID number. I'll work on that for 2010.

I'm retired but I did 1 Fire, 4 Public Service, 2 EMS runs. I did not fill out any NFIRS or PCR's

Once again, the New Rochelle guys stood up and showed that this brotherhood thing we talk about is not just talk. Look back at the last few years and remember what brought you to this point. Trump and Capelli have your raises in their wallets.

I agree...Beware of Dumpsters, but also look at the "flip side" of this "what's in a dumpster" thread: Ever have a suspicious car fire in the rear of a strip mall?...I'll be willing to bet you have. Rear of the strip mall is a favorite place to dump and burn the klunker. Afterward, check the line of dumpsters behind the mall. There's a really good chance you'll find the accelerant container complete with fingerprints in one of those dumpsters. And it ain't just for car fires, the guy that poured the gas wants to get rid of the can asap. Thence it goes in a nearby dumpster.

Try on line to Chesapeake, VA Fire Dept They used to have a downloadable video of the CPAT. I'll look for it too and let you know Good Luck Here it is: cityofchesapeake.net >fire department >CPAT You will get a streaming video

Honestly, I couldn't even try to critique that fiasco, because I haven't a clue what they are even trying to accomplish. Whatever they were doing, their 10 minute sizeup should have come up with something better than that. Jeez, even the "try before you pry" at the garage door took 5 Min. If you want to critique this one, try playing the video in reverse. Ar least it will look like the fire is going out.

One more point on TICS that Flynn will guarantee to agree on. Practice. On the drill ground, practice with your tic AND without it. It is very easy to become a Missing Member if your battery goes dead and you are not used to working by feel. What you saw via tic on the way in, you will now have to feel on the way out.