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A peanut sat on the railroad track His heart was all aflutter Along came an Amtrack train Toot Toot...peanut butter

I do know for a fact that when a Volunteer gets injured, there is about four times the paperwok than that of a Career FF.

I believe Vols are covered not under Workman's Comp, but by the Vol FF Benefit law which covers their injuries, disability, and lost wages from their regular job. I know you fill out Worker's Comp forms on a vol injury but I think it is only administered thru Workmen's Comp.

BadBox, Bnechis Thanks for saying that. I tried to say the same thing a ways back in this thread,and that there was a great misunderstading of the FAST concept among many of the posts in this thread. The FAST team is not a "specialty item" like a Dive team. It ia a function that every FF on any scene should be able to perform. Perhaps I was a little hard, but as a Fire Officer, I found that a good conniption fit (no more than twice a year) gets things done. It doesn't look like it worked this time. If you guys care to elaborate on your posts I would appreciate the backup, but wear your helmet.

I have, in reading this thread, identified what I consider to be a serious problem. It seems that in the Dutchess County area there is an awful lot of misinformation regarding FAST (RIT, MAI, RIC). The basics of the requirements for FAST have to be known from top to bottom (Chief to proby) in every FD. When you pull up to a job, a FAST Plan has to be established, to follow the 2 in 2 out requirement. You are not following the rule if your plan is something like "8 in 1 out and call for a qualified FAST team who will take 20 minutes to get there. I see too many problems in this thread to be corrected by a few paragraphs by well knowledged people in this thread. It will require some formal training for most of the Depts whose people posted in this thread. The best advice I can give you is this; If you posted in thiis thread or your dept is mentioned in this thread, your Dept may have some serious problems with FAST requirement. Note that I said MAY. I sugggest you get in touch with OFPC,State Chiefs or Dave Walsh of Dutchess CC. Show them this thread. I'm sure they can come up with something to get you squared away. I saw that efdcapt115 edited his post because of unnecessary harshness. Sorry you did that, Cap. This thread calls for a littlle roughing the kicker and piling on.

Thaanks for that input. My jaw dropped on that post

You guys are hung up on the "Took a class on how to run a Fire Department" quote. This quote originally appeared in the Journal noNews quite a while ago, and I believe it had a typographical error that was never retracted by the newspaper. The misspelled word was "ruin"

TV, RADIO, INTERNET, REVERSE 911. SEMAPHORE, SMOKE SIGNALS, OR FREE ONE-DAY PASS TO DISNEYWORLD. It doesn't matter how you ask. Only a small percentage of people will shovel out their hydrant. About the same percentage will shovel their snow onto the hydrant because it's a convenient place to put it.

HFD also sends out a newsletter and the winter one usually mentions clearing your hydrant. We also ask local radio stations for a series of PSA's when they announce scjool closings, and they are usually cooperative. But, bottom line- our FF's shovel hydrants (unless a FF lives on the block)

It's a coffeepot. They don't have engines.

You are correct. The "Fire engines are red" argument is one I lost. And Barry, Looking closer at Batt2's vehicle it IS a coffeepot! Where have you gone, Joe DDiMaggio?

1. 4 years 2. We weren't allowed to buy a Bullard because we broke one within the first 5 min of the demo. They said it was drop proof. Hah! 3. I had a Mister Coffee that looked just like that. I'll bet Bullard stole the design from Joe DiMaggio. 4. I was using Thermal Imaging before Thermal Imaging even had a name. Twenty years before the TIC, we had the Probe Eye, made bt Hughes aircraft, and used a small argon cylinder to work for 20 min. Ours was Serial #5, Kid.

Holee Jeepers! It's even got a Mister Coffee Machine!

Maybe I didn't put it right. It is MNRR's jurisdiction, but obviously an incident of magnitude in anybody's jurisdiction requires all surrounding resources to be invloved. I was just trying to say that MNRR may very well have a plan developed. If there is a plan, then yes, the resources that would be involved should be aware of the plan and their part in the plan. And yes, a tabletop and then a large scale drill are the next steps to take. But none of this is any good if it dosen't incllude the major player in the game who, in this case is MNRR. Sorry 'bout the miscommunication.

The responders in those areas that are accessable only by water should be preplanning resources for a MCI in those places. Now is the time to work these things out. You will probably need private resources form a distance...maybe something like NY Water Taxi, with a 1 hr response time. Also, you can't just Say we'll use NY water Taxi. The resource has to be agreeable beforehand before you can consider it a resource. More important: Talk to Spanky. The railroad right-of-way is his jurisdiction, not yours. There is also a distinct possibility that Spanky already thought of this problem spot in his jurisdiction and already has a preplan. That's his job. Remember brainstorming is OK, however "Too many cooks screw up the soup."

There was a MCI drill at the N White Plains yard about 5 years ago. It was set up by my favorite Metro North Chief.

If I am right, one train was stopped, and the one that crashed into it from the rear had an engineer who was doing pot while driving the train.

Gongratulations. I was wondering who would finally ask! Spanky is the nickname of the guy who is presently Fire Chief of Metro North Commuter Railroad. His jurisdiction runs from Grand Central Terminal to the ends of all three lines of MNRR. Spanky is a good guy

Mike, you are right on. Look at this thread and who answered. They are all guys with time on the job, experience, and a lot of training. I just hope that the new generation is reading this thread and gaining some knowledge from it. Hopefully, they are not stuck on things like the Stamford situation, fire engine photos, etc. We have seen 100's of comments on one photo of a guy on a roof with a saw. They picked out dozens of tiny little items in that one photo, but throw up a picture of a train wreck, and all you get is silence. Like you said, "Something is just not right here."

I didn't see any spanking here, Cap, if we were all sitting around a table talking out this scenario, it would have sounded much the same...statements then comments then clarifications and so on. The way I read it (a couple of times) it looks to me like we ARE on the same page. If I were the iC that had this incident I would have welcomed the guys who posted on this thread. If your comments were at a command post at an actual incident they probably would have been instrumental in formulating an Incident Action Plan of pretty high caliber. Yes, all from different FD's but all headed in the right direction. You guys are as professional as any FD can ask for. For just a clarification, not spanking, I think efdcapt115 didn't mean Establish ICS. I believe he meant Expand and Formalize ICS, and establish Unified Command. No spanking, Cap, just rewording. To all other readers: If we don't use ICS (not the whole book, just a piece) on the little stuff we will not know how to use it on the big stuff.

Low pressure airbags should work for stabilization, just like righting a tractor trailer. Because you have a railroad car version of pick up sticks, I would not try to right cars, just apply a gentle touch for stabilization, do your work search,rescue,extricate etc. and move on to the next. SPANKY will take care of all the disentanglement afterward. I would like to give 1 vote to Spanky just because he was recognized bt the Capt. Maybe a forum administrator could make this happen. What do say efdcapt115, wanna give a vote to Spanky too?

Good observations, guys. When I see fireground ops that are this bad, I find it hard to comment at all, This one looks like chickens in a henhouse, all wandering aimlessly, each chicken doing its own thing. What I did see, though, was that the guy with the helmet cam didn't actually do anything. He seeemed to just walk back and forth around the back yard. Some peeople are supposed to walk back and forth like this, but he wasn't one of them. He wasn't Division C, because he gave no orders to the troops or reports to the IC (if there was an IC). He wasn't Safety or else he would put a stop to this fiasco. I can only give him credit for not being in the way of the other chickens.

I amost forgot about that one.. After I wrote it I got 10-12 letters from around the country from FD's who had the same thing, but nobody would believe them. I think I am still the nationally recognized expert on Spontaneous Combuustion of Potted House Plants. Somebody must have told you that article existed. No one would have gone looking for something off the wall like that

Here's the scenario: Odor of gasoline in a 2 story garden apartment with garages underneath on Side C. Source traced to a garage which was the Super's maintensnce garage. The fuel line of a snowblower broke and leaked fuel on the floor. What we saw was a fuel-soaked pile of kitty litter or oilsorb under the snowblower. Here's the conversation: Me; Ya know, it's OK to soak up the fuel, but you gotta bag up the kitty litter and get it out of the building. Super: That's not kitty litter Me: OK oil sorb,whatever Supt: No, it's that stuff you put on the grass Me:Fertilizer? Supt: Yeah Me: WTF OK you EOD guys, what was that, ANFO's Redneck Cousin?

While doing routine inspections, our guys found a military rocket in aa basement storeroom of 6 story OMD.. Small rocket...probably would have only made it to the 4th floor.