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Betcha thought she was bringing you a shopping bag full of "Thank you Cookies" for the boys. FAKE POP TARTS!

Remember Rocket A. Squirrel and Bullwinkle J. Moose?

sorry, but it looks like the delay was your fault (the Co's fault)

Even better: We are your Firefighters. Everything we use is Low Bid Thanks to our City Council

I am amazed at the amount of stinky thick smoke that only one nipple will emit. Much stinkier than a hard boiled egg, but if you want to see SMOKE, I'll try and find the guy who burned his bowling ball in his Weber grill.

I knew there were good people behind that 60-Control door!

You can have a delegation of authority without putting it in writing. It's a slippery slope but on a job like this one they aren't going to go back to Village Hall to draw one up. LOL Chris- FYI Village Hall is 1/2 block away in this hypothetical scenario.

Chris The document I was describibg is the local FD's progression of command at Incidents. Something like (bottom to top)Senior arriving FF-LT-Capt=Dep Chief-Chief. The lowest on that list remains as IC until the arrival of a higher-up. Re: Unauthoried unified command: If there was technically no one authorized to call mutual aid then the M/A companies were operating out of their jurisdiction without proper request. RE: IC not necessarily most qualified. In a hazmat situation, the hazmat officer is usually most knowledgable on scene but he is not IC. IC must gather his info from his sources to make decisions. Did I clarify things I said? I think we are on the same page. Best communications are fact-to-face. Hope we are done, I'm heading to the REHAB UNIT for a Bud.

Why we get wrapped around this axle is this; The NFA had a very good ICS course for FF's specifically. When the Feds decided that everybody, not only FF's should be using ICS, they went Generic and basically dumped the NFA course. I agree, there was an IC, the Lt, but there was probably no written document that defines the progression. I don't agree that it is the most qualified person on-scene. Hopefully the IC is smart enough to know the IC Syatem and to put the qualified people in the right ICS positions. Could it be the Village manager? I would say if there is no provision written for the FD, then the Village Manager is the responsible party. Remember, it falls back to the highest elected official. Obama is The "Commander-in Chief" even if he won't salute the flag, but that's a different problem. Even if they decided to bring in an IC from someplace else, let's say the FDMV DC, for example. The designation is supposed to be in writing from the village. So how the begeezes did this fire wind up with all these people and appparatus, and how did it get put out? It was done by good decision making on the part of the LT, who, if the conditions were in writing like I stated above, may have ACTUALLY been the IC. OR An unauthorized, but operational Unified Command System, made up by very professional people, who decided to put the fire out and haggle out the details later. OR All of the above. Which I suspect is the way things went down. GOOD STOP, GUYS

Your Dispatcher has a list from your FD that specifies what goes for every type incident. There are Chiefs who jump on the radio as soon as it is dispatched and change the response for no apparent reason. They do this over and over again.

Ditto EFDCAPT on the light duty people. Off the job injuries such as rotator cuff surgery have needed a long recoup time. In many cases you are only covered for 180 days sick time. BIG thing to think about. Also, when you call Scarsdale now you get a FF. Not just for local knowledge, but he has FF Knowledge. For the 60 Control guys, this is not a slam. Bnechis has another thread abaout pissing off your dispatcher, so I'm replying to two threads simultaneously. I think it may be EMT-B's first double play.

Blow on kindling, you get fire. Don't do it inside your tent. -New Proverb -ME

Sorry, but I stick to my guns about attacking from the rear in this scenario, and your 99% in the front door is bit high. The fire is already venting out the front door, and it is a well established vent. Yes, my guys would have chosen the rear as did the guy in the video. Why? Many FDs teach that whenever practical, the initial arriving company does a 360 degree walk-around as part of the size up. If you can't do a complete 360, at least do sides A,B, and D. It's easily accomplished by observing one side and front as you approach and driving psat the fire building just far enough to see the far side. If you are an engine company, you have automatically given the front of the building to the truck. Ialso did not say that you could not take your PPV fan to the rear (where it belongs if that is the attack point.) Other than that, antiquefirelt, I agree with what you said. Good comments especially about HVAC, a major factor. I would have even given you a vote.

OK Time for the rest of the County to hop on board. And FDNY NYPD. When youu have 30,000 votes, politicians listen...even if they hate our guts.

Re: FDNY and hi-rise PPV Agreed that multis are more fire resistant. Also, FDNY goes through a pretty involved system of size up by the hi rise co officer and he must get OK from IC before starting PPV. After that, the effectiveness of PPV is evaluated constantly by designated members to insure it is doing what it is supposed to do. To add to Capt. Benz's post, My Degree says Fire Science but putting out fires is an Art. No two fires are the same and the FF has to change to adapt his strategy and tactics by what the fire is doing or probably will do.

That's a whole different use of PPV from the video here. Here smoke was brown thick ugly venting at front door. You didn't see steam mixed in. Something was still cooking. Let's put our fan on it. That fire was just waiting for some air.

I guess you're right! How 'bout: bad IC? reading smoke? mayday calls? tunnel vision? or Fire engine photos

Take another look at this. There are two problems evident to me with PPV on attack in the video. Since smoke was emanating well from the front door, first due engine correctly chose to attack from the opposite side since the front door was obviously the vent opening. It's horizontal ventilation working nicely. When PPV was started, however, it not only plugged that vent hole but also blew everything right at the attack company. It is the equivalent of opposing hoselines, another faux pas. PPV also awakened a fire in the walls and blew that towards the attack team also. PPV requires control of ALL openings in the building and that includes holes in interior walls and ceilings. Picture this video but with a balloon frame dwelling...you'll get vertical ventilation alright...without sending a crew to the roof. Besides the PPV issue, a little communications on scene would have helped also. The IC also should have noted the front door vent, known where his crews were operating, and put the brakes on the PPV operation. Many IC's have forgotten that overseeing the operation is their job. They tend to concentrate on moving the magnets or velcro tags around their table instead.

There is a legitimate use for APC's in the civilian sector, but not everyone needs one. It depends on how your divorce went, and how good a shot your Ex is.

I just said "That's what happens." The resident you hire turns out to be an out-of-towner.

Easy Solution: Teach cops to draw blood. It probably doesn't even have to be IV for DUI test.

Good answer, Steve. The same way OK became COMMON TERMINOLOGY almost worldwide, 10-4 is well on it's way to universality in its meaning. It became widely understood largely because of actor Broderick Crawfod's constant use of the term in the TV show Highway Patrol in the late '50s or early 60s. I would like to start a national movement right here on EMT-B to accept 10-4 as common terminology. My reasoning is the 10-4 is no longer a ten code (which we can't use). It has evolved into a word. It means "yes". More people in this nation understand and can spell the new word "10-4" than can understand os spell the word "afirmative." All in favor, write to FEMA, NIMS, Common Terminology Section. OK?

10-4, Steve OOps...cant say that anymore. Is OK a word?

What often happens is that a FD requests to use the residency list first because they want people who live in town (for whatever reason). When the new hiree gets a few bucks in his pocket and wants to buy a house, he finds he can't afford to buy in town. He then moves way far away where he keeps his taxes low by joining the volunteer FD. He then brags to his paid pals about how many jobs he gets as a vol. He also brags to his vol buddies about his special training as a paid man. Not pro or anti anything about paid/vol, but if you were a FD wouldn't you rather hire the smarter of the two?

Your garage or not, the response and sop's should remain the same. Changing the established plan only mucks things up. The mamber making the changes without sufficient info simply panicked. I've had instances involving family or friends over my lifetime and found that in an emergency, my brain seemed to switch to Professional Mode. I think the guy with the garage fire wasn't able to make that switch.