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when you drive through the campus at montrose and you see the vacant buildings you wonder how long it will take for one of the major builders to cut a deal with the fed govt. directly across the river the west shore is being developed basically taking the access to the river away from many. many services have been cut from the montrose VA campus over the years. my fear over the past year is that the campus will turn into a homeless shelter with a minimum amt of vets living there such as the unpopular camp laguardia in chester. hopefully when the new shelter opens in montrose it is for the returning vets to get back into society and not a unsupervised flop house. i am wondering what will take place there especially since the VA hired a good amount of police officers, time will tell!!! don't forget about the aging vets that rely on the montrose campus,thousands from the hudson valley go there, if they eliminate montrose then the vets will have to go into the bronx or elsewhere.....

not true tommy-they are going to be allowed out, not the psych ward. i hope it all works out and does not cause a local problem, help the vets and run a tight ship!!!

name them with the assigned dispatchers numbers from 1983------->

if i can send it to someone maybe they will have better luck or know what the hell they are doing!

same here lol, i'll send it to bravo,maybe they can download n post it.

without anything said, here is why we need to foot a ground ladder! ladder_footing.htm

I can't tell you her name! her father might see this lol

congrats boys! nobber-hope they give you a new hat because the one you got on must have shrunk in the rain!!! be safe jjc

the VA in montrose will be opening up their new shelter soon,i hope that the VA keeps their word that it will be supervised and kept under a close eye. i makes me wonder though why they would hire an additional 10-15 police officers??? I am concerned what the real plan realy is. lets not turn montrose into a chester...

whats a 2 1/2????? where i work its rare to see a deuce n a half used,manpower is the answer that I have heard for years, 1 3/4 attacking a heavy involved structure is like peeing off my boat into that nw wind which is always blowing!!! if you don't flow enough people will get hurt and the fire will not go out.

A "truck" is a fire apparatus with ground ladders and an aerial and maybe a pump,an engine is a fire apparatus with hose,pump water tank. many do not identify them as mentioned. this can cause some confusion on the fireground etc. any thoughts?

ok i see we have some forum going again- as mentioned a few times here ,training- as mentioned in my original post it is important to learn from the training that we recieve for those of you who posted here that work with me you know how some of the guys drive. we have all rode with them. if one person reads this post that is new to driving a rig and they learn 1 thing from all of us then we did our job. the question out there is are we all getting that training? like everything else experience can go along way. people can learn from others experience especially when it comes to driving a rig. maybe i should not have mentioned CDL and just left it at a question if driver training is adequate or not. TPWS- ah never mind (LOL). take an oil deliveryman who drives his truck daily and compare it to a guy that drives a firetruck 2-3 times a week, who would you feel more comfortable with? probably the oil man now that you need to buy oil and you might get a break per gal. (only kidding here we are friends) anyway- keep going with this because alot has been said already. hudson

this morning on firehouse .com 2 incidents were posted pertaining to MVA involving fire department apparatus. All year long you read about these accidents and it appears that driver error is involved alot. In nys we are not required to have a CDL which I am totally against.This issue was brought up a few years back when the DMV changed the classification of our drivers license. Are our chauffers,drivers,mpo's or whatever other title they may have qualified or trained enough to be driving a 30 ton truck down the street? I have seen first hand drivers who tool around in these rigs as if they were still in their personal sports cars. At 18 yrs old one of my first driving lessons on a firetruck was from an old salty,experienced city of shreveport La captain. The instructor brought us out on the in active runway on the air field,we drove half way down the runway,stopped,got out of the rig and went over and stuck a pike pole in the grass on the side of the runway. We got back in the rig,turned around and went back to the beginning of the runway. As i looked at him i was wondering what the hell is he doing? at that point he said floor it! following his order i did what he demanded. as i approached the pike pole he said to stop at the pike pole,we were traveling about 45 mph.I applied the brakes and went well past the pike pole. when the crash fire truck finally stopped we then got out a tape measure and measured how far past the pike pole i had traveled. i can't recall how far it was but it was enough to stick in my mind 27 yrs later! a valuable lesson! Money was a big issue,who was going to pay for the license. i know it could be costly but it might be costly down the road when someone crashes a rig and kills someone. how is your training program? are your people driving a rig like a sports car?

HAZ MAT chem cars go through therer daily!

this derailment is directly across from vrplancks point .a strong nw wind alsways blow there,imagine a chemical leak or refer back to my original post, yes its amazing how everyone concentrates on the indian point power plant and none of the peace keepers even think of the above!!!

Living on the hudson line we mostly see commutor trains moving up and down the tracks along the hudson. RR transportation is big and many haz mat materials are transported via our local rails. Most departments throughout westchester may have to deal with these trains because of the way the system is mapped out. Do you know what goes through your district? Anyone ever see chemical cars being transported at night? Living in the northwest corner of westchester co. I know at times that chem cars are in fact moving on the hudson line. When you ride along the croton harmon north station you will see what i mean. One concern that I have is whats moving on the other side of the river being the rockland tracks.I have sat in my boat fishing and watched those trains going both north and south.If I had a haz mat repsonders book I could certainly get an education. What do you have running through your district? A few years ago a derailment happened at stony point. If there was a spill the communitys of verplanck,montrose,and Buchanan could have had a major evacuation problem. Being a boater I constantly keep an eye on the wind and I know that alot of time we have a strong northwest wind that comes from the rockland side. This can cause a real problem. Whats rolling through your town?

I f you have already listened to this you know that jeff is on a mission.One thing that sticks in my mind was something that jeff said to me as he lay in bed at helen hayes hospital and i quote,jeff asked me "what kind of an impact has this incident had on a local level within the fire service" my answer was that it depended on what dept that you were from,some depts just shrugged it off,some went out and purchased pss for their members, the other thing he said was"ITS ONE THING TO CARRY IT BUT ITS ANOTHER THING TO KNOW HOW TO USE IT"! recently NRFD was given the finances for all of the members of the dept to be outfitted with a pss. we should all be carrying them and trained in its use! be safe

ok,not that I am trying to tell anyone to listen to this interview(only kidding) but if you go to Firehouse.com and click on podcast then on the title "Through the Smoke" you can listen to the interview of Jeff with Chief Goldfeder. Jeff talks about the Jan 23 black sunday incident in the bronx. if you never had listened to this program before check it out because the topics are strong. on a weekly basis, and is a real learning experience. be safe hudson!

res6cue- I AM SORRY IF YOU ARE OFFENDED,MY POINT IS THAT I WISH THAT MORE OF YOU WOULD PARTICIPATE AND LEARN FROM MORE IMPORTANT ISSUES THAN LIGHTS. I KNOW MANY OF US ARE TRYING TO HELP OTHERS ON THIS SITE TO LEARN, MAYBE THE SECTION SHOULD BE PRIORITIZED FOR THE TRAINING THREADS. IT IS A GREAT SITE USED BY MANY AND IS ONLY AN ASSET TO US ALL. IT IS YOUR RIGHT TO TALK ABOUT RECIPES,LIGHTS ETC, AND I MIGHT EVEN SHARE A FEW RECIPES WITH YOU. SORRY IF I PEE'D IN YOUR CHEERIOS! BE SAFE

EVER SEE A LED LIGHT PUT A FIRE OUT? GUYS- DON'T TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY BUT THERE HAS BEEN SOME STRONG TOPICS IN THE LAST DAY OR SO PERTAINING TO REAL INCIDENTS AS WELL AS SOME SERIOUS DAILY TYPES OF INCIDENTS YOU MIGHT BE CALLED TO.THE POST ON LED LIGHTS IS UP TO 25 ALREADY. I READ THEM ALL AND THERE IS SOME GOOD INFO HERE,THE POINT THAT I AM TRYING TO MAKE IS TO TRY TO GET INVOLVED WITH SOME OF THE OTHER POSTS THAT DEAL WITH MORE IMPORTANT ISSUES. AFTER READING SOME POSTS DEALING WITH INCIDENT COMMAND,CO CALLS ETC THIS IS ANOTHER AVENUE TO LEARN FROM.USE IT AND GET INVOLVED! BE SAFE!

SEE POST #2- EDITED

send a thank you note instead of thanking everyone for showing up at an incident! no need to tell 60 control- release **** fire dept with our thanks! we all know you are thankful and you will probably see them the next day to bs about the alarm anyway!

ESKA GLOVES- being field tested with FDNY, should be NFPA approved sometime in december,looks and from a good source are great because you can actually use your hands. GO TO FIRE HOOKS UNLIMITED AND CLICK ON NEW PRODUCTS.

the importance of communications on the fireground certainly has come a long way over the years. many departments are still behind when it comes to keeping in touch with members inside of the involved structure. alternate frequencys help keep radio traffic to a minimum on the main dispatching frequencys. in westchester a problem does exist when mutual aid is either being given or recieved from neighboring departments. The importance of a command post can be a topic here because someone needs to be involved with all communications at the fireground. Are we all working together at an incident? are orders being given to all companys involved? is vital info not being communicated to all interior crews? Is the operating channel being "OVERLOADED" by non essential chatter? is that one individual tying up the air waves? all members IMO should have a portable radio issued to them. if you don't have a radio make sure that your partner has one. this is a start of a good topic-carry on!!!

to add to this I want to give an example of how important the IC position is, a few years ago the washington DC FD had a line of duty death in a single family dwelling. The dept. didn't just bury the incident they in fact had a fact finding comm. established and went through the incident to see where changes could be made to help a tragic incident from possibly happening again. they did make changes within the dept. The incident was also investigated by an outside agency being either osha niosh or some other firm and one of the things that they mentioned was that the chiefs aid position be reinstated that was eliminated at one point because of the budget. the point was made that the chief in charge (IC) should not be worrying about relocating companys,who's going to go get drinking water, the spare rig won't start in the firehouse 5 miles from the scene, these are not the exact examples but the message was sent that the IC should have all of his attention on that fireground and mainly concentrating on the incident itself,alot happens within minutes or even seconds on the fireground and his attention should be 100% at all times.