hudson144

Date: 22 Jun 08 Time: Approx 1300 hrs Location: Foxwood Condos (Bedford RD Area) Frequency: Units Operating: Description Of Incident: Attic/roof fire from lightening Writer: Hudson 144 Link to Lohud

maybe they can lend us a firehouse also,with the possibility of station 4 being shut down we can use a spare! 2 out of 4 firehouses shut down is not a good statistic!

Date: 6/15/08 Time: 1034 HRS Location: North Columbus & Lorraine ave Frequency: 154.145 Units Operating: Mount Vernon FD Description Of Incident: Structure Fire Writer: Hudson144 Original dispatch reported Smoke in the Structure 1035 HRS- Transmitted for a Working Fire 1035 HRS- Engine 5 respond as FAST Engine 1042 HRS- Batt 1 reports 2 lines stretched and operating, Making progress. 1044 HRS- Pelham Engine 4 to FDMV Station 3 to cover

Very moving!

Somewhere in Mass a fire started in an apartment complex, the couple who were tenants in the apartment hoarded approx 45 gallons of gasoline in the closet.They thought that they could store the gasoline to help offset the price per gallon as prices continue to rise. The fumes found an ignition source and caught fire. The sprinkler system held the fire. As the situation with gasoline gets worse daily we need to be aware of situations such as this. A few years ago on Lincoln ave in MV we had a woman clean her bath tub with gasoline,as she was cleaning the tub she didn't like the smell so she lit a candle, she was lucky she didn't get killed and the fire was contained to the bathroom. A lesson learned the hard way.

for now lol we really need TL 1 in service,hopefully it can be taken care of ASAP.

Barry- as far as your reply I do understand that the independant company is not within the govt level either by the state or the feds however if the worst and I pray to god the worst never happens the feds,nys,osha,niosh etc will be in there picking through the rubble, training records, sops,sogs,by laws, response procedures etc will be combed through and the truth will come out. This will not benefit the poor hard working ff or fire officer who tragically died because of the politics that run the dept not to only mention FDMV but anywhere. It amazes me how this fire service world has learned by other tragic events from the fire service world but the old thought of "it will never happen to us " still is present. Case in point- march 1999-Gramatan ave fire, 8 firefighters trapped, yes we were lucky that night and when we all crawled out the only 2 members of FDMV IFO the fire building were the Chief of the Dept and ther Fire commissioner, the next day was like nothing happened. Some depts make changes to help to prevent other mishaps, many depts bury their heads in the sand like nothing happened! This pertains to all of us.No matter where you are, what you do,who you fight fires for its all the same and is a serious problem. Bottom line is to be safe and not over extend yourselves and keep an eye open for the unexpexted, b safe jjc

As I have mentioned in the past,one of the busiest depts in the area and many discrepencies daily - Bring in the outside firm to investigate the depts deficient operations and correct them before somebody gets killed!!! When you have a $800,000 truck sitting in the firehouse and not in service somebody needs to take charge and rectify the problem and get the damn thing in service!!!

Note the hosebed cover, a new requirement to prevent hose from falling off and injuring citizens on the street/sidewalks.

It was a boat with a damaged outdrive with no reported injuries and not taking ON water,CALL SEA TOW!!!

Date: 5/26/08 Time: 1400 Location: hudson river Frequency: Units Operating: Description Of Incident: boat hit rocks Writer: hudson144 Amazing-nobody has hit those rocks in years, anbody who travels the hudson should know where they are going. From Georges Island to Croton Point there is almost no obstructions to worry about, with a constant water depth of 10'-14' depending on the tide. Oh well, guess there is always one!

Hope It Snows! lol

As most of you are aware Mount Vernon has been busy this year. From Jan -May several fires have been fought with much discussion both positive and corrective, when I mention corrective it mostly pertains to the ongoing talk about mutual aid and not any trashing about fires or how they have been fought. As financial times continue to go down are we all going to see more fires because of the 2008 "depression". With home heating fuel at $4.50 gallon and gasoline most likely to hit $5.00/gal are we going to see an increase in fires? This can be a discussion which may remind some of the 70s and we as younger members might be able to learn from. What might we expect to see with alternate ways of heating from electric heaters to kerosene heaters. Is Arson going to be a part of the " depression"? Now I know we might not be able to compare this to the great depression from years ago but I would think that some situations that may occur will fall under the "History Repeats itself" category. Lets open this up into a positive learning forum. Thanks Hudson

Date: 5/18/08 Time: 1543 Location: 233 So 3rd ave c/s 3rd st. Frequency: 154.145 Units Operating: Engs 3,5,4,6(fast) L3,L2, Res 1 Batt 4 Description Of Incident: Basement Fire Writer: Hudson144 Fire in the basement of a vacant 2 1/2 story wood frame. Extension to floor 1 & 2 NRFD- L13, Pelham Eng 4 to cover city.

Chief Rusty Thomas resigns day before the report by several fire experts is released. Can this report be a lesson to all of us throughout the Fire Service? In this day and age many Departments have in the past ignored a problem and many have gone on and shared their information to help us help ourselves. Lets see what the report says and how we can relate to the tragic mishap!

Here we go again! lol

The Vulcan decree- well satisfied in some places. Should be disolved as it mentions within the decree!!!

Barry- the career chiefs commissioned the study- i applaud that, the Department that should be pressing some buttons is the one that needs the help the most. A few years back there was talk about having an independant review board come in to review the FD similiar to what NYS civil service recently did on the mount vernon civil service commission , this audit produced a 30 page document on the deficient ways that the civil service conducted business when it came to hiring,testing etc. Maybe this would shed some light on the situation. To many times in the past "Chiefs hands are tied" and nothing can be done! The study I am sure is great, the question is what is the next step after the study? If I am not mistaken mutual aid went into MV 38 times last year!

In a nut shell- FDMV is a room and contents fire dept. With all of the laws and regs in place we have gotten away with it for years! I pray that the worse never happens but you know what, the odds are against us. Think about it- a 2nd alarm assignment- 2 more men to the scene. The fast team- an engine company with 2 men (another smoke screen). WE bust our A** day in and day out and no changes have taken place and i don't see any changes in the future. We can discuss this till were all blue in the face and it has been posted here before and nothing will change. It will not be solved here on Bravo- The senior Fire officials and the politicians are the one's to come up with a resolve. It should have been now for years but we are no different now that 20 years ago......

There is a big difference for us Barry- we know that we are going to get a timely respose of 3 and 2 because we are in the house, as things go these days the reponse may not be a full response because some depts. may have a manpower issue depending on the time of day etc.(this is not saying that any of the depts do or not) In reality the airport IMO should have more manpower than what is presently assigned to them. The way it is set up-discharge agent and then wait for incoming mutual aid for assistance. We see this as a problem at Stewart. 7guys per shift as required but if a rescue or interior attack is needed you run into a real problem. What is the answer for all of the airports of this size? Good question! The same problem exists for all of us in any FD-Lack of manpower. If it is an in flight emergency you might have the time for the incoming units to stage etc but if its a un expected crash you work with what you got. ??? Barry- you failed to mention Greenwich Fd who will somewhere in the near future have a station right outside the airport grounds. What kind of a change will that have in the response? They are in another state, will that have anything to do with the response? There are alot of questions being answered by the people in charge of the response. Lets give it a chance and see how it works. Hopefully a mishap with a larger a/c does not happen. Only time will tell.

Pre-plan, not much different than sending 3 engines,2 trucks a rescue and a chief to a reported possible fire within a structure. Over the years the response for the airport has not changed much, the airport ops staff respond accordingly with the ARFF apparatus and initiate the mutual aid plan. The mutual aid plan which has been recently reviewed and tweaked for the better of all involved has certainly involved all the depts assigned to the response in the event of an aircraft mishap. The Incident Commanders have more knowledge now than ever before as far as what additional resources might be needed for both small frame a/c to large frame a/c. This was all due to people coming together to build a plan. If a small frame or general aviation (GA) aircraft declares an emergency the response level is the same as a large frame a/c no different than the above mentioned possible structure fire. If the incident is downgraded then the response can be terminated or changed depending on the situation. The IC from airport ops or the surrounding depts. can make that call as to what is needed. It all comes down to being familiar with what you got. The siuox city IA crash which involved a DC-10 certainly showed how effective a pre-plan, training, and MCI drill can make your incident easier to handle. Instead of just winging it everything is written in a SOG or a guideline for the IC. This is not saying that you have to go by the SOG/guideline 100% because the situation might change. There is a drill on next weekend at the airport which will help all the responders who are assigned to the response to the airport understand the plan. I am sure there may be changes to the plan if anything does not benefit the response. This would most likely be done in the critique of the drill.

"JERKWATER TOWN" This term was from the early days of the Railroad. Years ago on the Hudson Line when the trains were run by steam the trains would stop at the old Montrose RR Station on get water used to run the locomotive. Water was piped from the Petersons pond on Montrose Station RD/Lower Washington St. down to the station. The crews on the train would then use the water for the train to if I am not mistaken to create steam. If some of you might remember in the show Pitticoat Junction a water tower was located next to the tracks where the crews would get the water to run the locomotives also. There used to be a re-print of a newspaper article in the Firehouse staing that Montrose was one of the first towns throughout the USA that used this method. Google Jerkwater and you might see additional info. Hudson

Date: 25 APR 08 Time: 1149 HRS Location: 264 SO COLUMBUS AVE Frequency: 154.145 Units Operating: ENGS 5,3,2,L3,L2 Res 1 BAtt 4 Description Of Incident: structure fire Writer: hudson144 1149 hrs -cellular 911 reporting a fire @ the above to 60 Control. 1151 hrs- Eng 3 O/L reporting smoke showing. 1153 hrs- Eng 6 to the scene (fast), Eng 4 to station 3 (relocate) 1159 hrs- Batt 4 10-26 "working fire", 3 story structure

It looks like the county convention already took place! lol

just made it up to see how many of us would try to figure out what it meant lol, Hudson.