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Wouldn't that be crossing streams? lmao Edit: spelling

I meant hotpockets. No uh hotshower..what is it again? OH hotwashing. 10-4. k.

You weren't cool enough...too many hotbaths...lol

You're not serious are you? Do you honestly think money is the motivating factor behind any professional who desires to share his knowledge and experience? Since you know everybody, why don't you go down and ask Bob Morris that and see what kind of reaction you get. It is people with attitudes like yours who would turn this site into another worthless waste of time rant. Everybodygoes....just go. lol

Not at all. Your secret is safe with me. lol

Why am I not seeing any photos in the OP? Very strange..... Edit: What do I have to do to get an answer, ask this in French? Very well: Pourquoi suis-je pas voir toutes les photos dans l'OP? Très étrange.....

Really nice visual Marc. Thanks.

That's an interesting morphing of this conversation into a bigger, unspoken truth about this website. Why is it that EMTBravo has had such in-depth investigation, observation, reporting of fire department related issues? That is a reflection of the demographic makeup of the membership. I dare say volunteer firefighters are the majority of members here, followed by EMS, other type/enthusiast/photographer, then career firefighters and lastly cops. No science there, just a shot in the wind based on observing the site itself. Firefighting and tactics are fair game for ripe conversation. There are no security issues related to the public release of information about tactics, what was or was not done, etc. EMS has a major following. After all the place is named after Seth's old ride when he was doing EMS in Westchester County. It must be frustrating at times for our Brothers and Sisters in LE, because most of what they know is classified, and cannot be discussed here. The only issues that make it to public discussion are those infamous cases which the media believes is their responsibility to make fodder of discussion. I think most of the media thinks they are doing something patriotic by continually criticizing LE, and focusing in on the cases of the day that are controversial. There has been much discussion from the left, that law enforcement in America is becoming "Israeli-ized." The majority of Americans have accepted the tighter restrictions on our personal liberties and freedoms as just the cost of living a free life in an open democracy where there are security threats to everybody's safety. I understand and accept the "Patriot Act" but sometimes wonder why the TSA has to act politically correct by body searching disabled little children. TSA represents in ordinary people's minds; authority. The same authority as the police officer. The understanding of a Federal level of authority even more powerful on peoples lives than they realize. Not to wonder too far though, but members here from LE figuratively have their hands tied when it comes to discussion here. I guess that's why fire discussion became so prevalent. We from fire do love to talk shop, as LE does. They just have to do it in private mostly, while we blab away here.....

Whomever actually did scroll up and rub Messier's head yesterday; keep up the good work! Miracles work, The end of last night's game showed us that. Me being the superstitious bastard that I am have prohibited myself from the Messier rub. PLEASE, we're all counting on you! lol

Chief your questions really should be directed at two people; the fire commander on scene and the commanding officer of the police. I'll not make leaps in judgement, but aren't some job functions, such as securing a perimeter, once it is done it's basically done, and personnel will have down time between tasks? They won't necessarily pick up and go back in service, because their job function is ongoing, just with periods of time in between tasks. I think I understand your perspective. In New Rochelle things like this don't really happen. In an ideal world they wouldn't happen anywhere. The state of manpower availability or lack thereof in rural areas is well known to all of us. It certainly isn't the fault of the people still making the effort to help their communities. Was there an error in judgement by the IC? Once again, in an ideal world, yes. This was obviously not an ideal situation out there. Did you ever see pictures of the LA Riots where LAFD Task Forces dropped hose and hydrants for civilians then continued down the block to the other dozen buildings burning? Once again, the conditions on the ground, when far from ideal, sometimes produce efforts being made by others to assist in controlling the problem.

An honest airing of opinions, in a pretty civilized way. It's got to be a healthy thing to air some of the frustrations guys may have been feeling about some of this. Think about if they had regular, informal briefings that would bring ESU and SOC together over coffee one Sunday morning a month or something (check all firearms and haligans at the door please gentlemen). Then again the point; does having a healthy dose of competition between agencies motivate personnel even further toward excellence in operations? Surely, as long as the operational co-existence does not engender either unsafe ops for victims or emergency personnel. The unspoken here; how each and every one of these pros from these jobs would DIE for one another. The time for discussion or disagreement would be left for after a cop dragged a fireman to safety, or a fireman dropped the perp the cop was chasing. What made a lasting impression on me; during Flips of '98 they used to intermingle the FDNY Lts with those of us fortunate to also be attending from our various jobs and promotions. There were 30 guys in my class; 15 FDNY, 15 State. Do you know, every single FDNY Lt in that class was a transferred NYPD Brother? Think about John and Joe Vigiano when thinking about the Brothers and Sisters of NYC. It really is shared blood.

The website: FDNY gets a whole new set of SOCs! (git it?) Bad jokes aside, the NYPD rig is interesting as well. 3623 is it? What is that, a command rig, ESU, satellite set-up... Safe Ops to ALL Brothers, whether your rig is red, or white and blue...

Angelo, when you said "just the response you were looking for" or words to that effect about another post, the moose I think innocently missed the sarcasm bro.

Scroll up and rub Messier's forehead for good luck!

Hey now, those are turn-of-the-century ALF's!

I highly doubt it.

I understand what you're saying Joe. We must also acknowledge there are always going to be comments from the general public (and sometimes FD members) because of the responsibility you must carry enforcing the law. It's not a popular job, because 95% of everyday ordinary Americans go afoul of some kind of law, probably every single day. There is a lot of projected anxiety toward the police. It's easy for someone to point at the cop when he gets a speeding ticket and say "that such-and such." What a common reaction to shirk the responsibility that the driver was doing 76 in a 55, and say it's the cop's fault for writing the ticket! So Grandma Hespess who prides herself on having never broken a law, carelessly speeds down the Sprain Brook Pkwy, doing 70 and talking on the cell phone. That d@#n cop! I have always admired the fraternity of the police. It is extremely strong. You have to have each others' backs; because sometimes it is you against the world. At the same time, you're not going to find more people who gather at a website, who have as much respect for their police brothers in blue, as those who gather here. Many, many times, the misdirection of hostility directed at the human being tasked with LE, the guy in the uniform gets the brunt of those dissatisfied with the law itself.

There is a long history of agency competition. The two incidents you are referring too from NYC, I am familiar with the events, but I don't think anybody ever established if there was even any fault, let alone who it should have been directed against. Inter-agency cooperation should be in the best shape it's ever been, as many issues of cooperation, chain-of-command, common respect, etc have been noted to have been addressed. It serves no productive purpose to try and elevate the drama or to finger point. Personally, I think ESU and SOC should probably increase cooperative training initiatives. It couldn't hurt, and there's probably not enough of it. I hope nobody from PD bites on pettiness. Regarding the "10-26" comment, to my understanding that means "food on the stove." That's just a fact, not a slight. ALL of you do a GREAT JOB. God Bless you all.

I don't know, I mean like two people posted something negative about the photo, the actions of the Troopers as directed by the Incident Commander. I think the blow back comments from that were a bit much, but I understand. We all need to remember the major differences between the urban operation of emergency service, and those occurring in the 'burbs or the sticks. When you work for an organization of virtually unlimited resources, the delineation of responsibility is necessarily more defined. However in the outer areas of cities and beyond those lines of responsibility become more blurred toward simply a common goal of eliminating a threat, or rescuing those in need, treating them. However it must be done, by whomever is tasked with the immediate or secondary responsibility. I remember a mailman helping on of our guys raise a ground ladder to effect a rescue. An ambulance operator hooking up a hydrant for a one man engine performing a forward lay. It goes on. If these three guys had been a couple of carpenters working next door, and the mailman, this story doesn't even surface. There are everyday people out there who regularly come upon emergencies they did not ask to be near, yet still spring into action to help victims and first responders. We as a people are loaded with angst these days. We've lost our collective sense of humor. Many are so economically squeezed the pressure is almost unbearable. People are going crazy out there; too many of them. Thank God there are still so many people on the side of civilization, who step up, who help out. That is what we a people still are, despite all the chaos around us. Stay safe.

The ho-hum spring cleaning detail forced upon me by my lady, lead me to locate this by sheer coincidence this morning, in a box of paperwork stored in the closet! It's a sign!

Glad we're all in agreement about the expansion joints.

Forgive me for not mentioning in the opening, how much my heart goes out the the Brothers and Sisters of The Jobs that had to deal with this alarm. As somebody so aptly stated in the thread about the Sullivan fire, now they need to bring in debriefers, counselors, psychologists, whomever to help all these emergency workers talk through and deal with the aftermath. I guess that's why this topic had the potential to light my fuse for a minute there. Because OUR PEOPLE have to deal with the effects of the boondoggled, bogged-down, countless excuse laden, INACTION on the part of DOT or whomever should be doing follow-up improvements to deadly and faulty roadways. Don't tell me there can be any legitimate excuse for letting a row of roadway lights go un-repaired for YEARS, when it was sighted as a contributing reason why a dead guy was missed. And I had to witness first-hand what the effect of that call did to my co-workers. And we weren't even the lead agency. Guys were sick about it. For a long time. I pray all those first in on this 7 fatality crash are okay personally. And I curse those who let uncorrected defects in the roadways continue to exist, ensuring more of OUR people who have to go pick up the pieces will be subjected to unspeakable horrors.

Reckless driving and an unacceptable dangerous roadway caused that accident. How many times did it have to happen in the same location with so many innocent people killed, the road identified as a total danger, before DOT apparently is finally taking action? That incident I referred to with the "lost body." Do you know the lack of working street lamps in that area of the CCP was identified in the final report as adding to the fact that first responders missed a victim? Do you realize that those lights have STILL not been repaired? The utter incompetency and lack of follow-up repairs on the parkways is criminal in my opinion.

This morning comes news that NYS will commence immediate improvements on the BRP bridge where we saw that terrible tragedy occur with the loss of 7 people, including elders and children; three generations of a family gone in an instant. Jersey barriers on the outside of the bridge, new signage and striping on the roadway. That's all well and good; just too late. And it's not going to stop vehicles that go airborne and cross lanes or jump the center divider. We all know that headed south where the roadway meets that bridge there are ancient expansion joints that are ridiculously higher than the roadway. 90 percent of the people who drive the BRP regularly know exactly what is coming as they approach the bridge. They'll slow down from 65 mph to 50 so they don't get the launch effect from hitting the bridge. But sooner or later, as in this case, somebody will hit it at traffic speed and either launch or lose control of the vehicle. Related: I read that NYPD did an aerial and TIC search of the area to try and locate any possible ejected passengers. VERY happy to read this. My former squad had the infamous "lost body" call on the Cross County Parkway some years ago that lead to that protocol change for AI's. I would NEVER want another emergency worker to have to endure that type of event.