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Very informative and comprehensive thread, thanks Truck4 for starting it off with that great photo and the IA. Learned so much in this thread so far about YFD operating procedures. Chris gives us an aerial view, we've got photos from all exposures. I liked the tactics in the rear of the building, getting the appliances and 2 1/2"s on the nearby rooftops. Looks like you had pretty good water volume up there as well. This fire imo really demonstrates the truly basic function of an urban fire department, particularly one with occupancies like these blocks of buildings, virtually on top of each other; and that is still to this day to prevent conflagrations. Yes of course life rescue, and I hope we hear more about the trucks and who did what in the early stages of removing victims somewhere in this thread, and yes of course agressive interior attack, but going back to the origination of these cities, Yonkers, New York, and the surrounding urban sprawl, preventing conflagration was utmost on peoples' minds. It was very interesting to learn from another fireman (we're all kinda buff historians) that originally in Manhattan, the wider streets we all take for granted as being the cross-over streets with two lanes of traffic, where you can get from the east to the west side of the island; were originally planned to be that wide as conflagration fire stops. So the next time you're on Canal, or Houston, or 14th St, or 23rd St, etc, now you know (if you didn't already). The DeCateur Ave 2nd alarm thread offered FDNY officers and firefighters critiquing one of their own jobs; for the benefit of Bravo members education. I see this thread as a continuation of that sharing of information; it's such a good thing to see the site functioning the way it should be, imo. The Wanstall photo from 30 years ago graphically illustrated the forward lay tactics of the engine companies that the chief was explaining and wondering about. What was the staffing of those engine companies 30 years ago? Didn't Chief Vincent Dunn FDNY (ret) orignally quantify the efficiency of 4 man versus 5 man engine company hose stretches, and isn't that pretty much the standard people go by when talking about whether or not to team up engines on an initial stretch? I was also told that years ago the FDNY engine companies also followed a similar operating procedure; ie all initial engines forward lay and stetched their own lines. But now, as explained in the DeCateur Ave thread, the companies are teaming up more often to get the initial line, particuarly a 2 1/2" into operation. These procedures have ramifications for all other Westchester, Putnam, Jersey departments with less staffing. I pounded my head against the wall to get two, two man engines to work together initally as one four man engine. Of course, my job is building upon a foundation of having chauffer only apparatus; so company ops are still evolving today. The smart leadership over there today is making strides, and this Yonkers job looked like a model for mutual-aid cooperation; including the timely staffing of reserve apparatus and the returning of those companies to their first due districts. Losing CFR companies for the entire city would concern me if I was a resident. Sounds like YFD can be taxed to it's limits in 20-30 minutes with a 4th like this one. so any talk about cuts coming from the politicians sound extremely dangerous to me. Can politicians be sued for making irresponsible public safety cuts? I wonder what their liability is. Thanks again everybody for this great info. Glad to hear there were no serious injuries at this fire. NICE job.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/bronx/firefighter_seriously_injured_in_Nh3oMuMKj1zduqt4Tbo0sK#ixzz0htcWGnu7

You're right, and it's simplistic on my part to think that another piece of legislation would really "adress" the issue; especially when there is already a guideline in the OFPC code. What about geting the DPWs involved? They do the job at standardization of disposals and have enacted the recycling programs. They really do reach every household. People seem to be aware of what they have to do regarding DPW guidelines. They send out pick-up schedules, and notices. Attachment notices easy enough. Mike, wanna help me out here? Wondering if there is a way to incentivize the property owners to comply with a Standard...aside from banging a fine, which would run contra to the goal where safety is concerned. My job runs (for many years) "Operation Lightbulb" which came out of "Operation Desert Storm" started by retired member P.Allison, and carried on many years now by the members. They get faxes from the Office of the Aging and go to senior citizen's homes and perform simple repairs, and what not, as a free public service. In that spirit, FDs/PDs/DPWs could offer an assistance program to help residents comply. But it takes a leader, to grab the proverbial bull and run with it; you'd need this, somebody who dogs on the issue, with the bite to get something done, until it is.

All kidding aside, coundn't Westchester County, or for that matter New York State pass simple legislation (is there such a thing) making numbering of addresses a standard throughout the county or state? I mean this shouldn't have to be a piece-meal solution on a city, town, district, level, it's actually.....ridiculous.

Received the e-mail yesterday for the fund-raiser for this firefighter, from EMTBravo. Nice job Seth and Bravo Staff!

We use brightly colored numbers on conch shells in this neighborhood.

Conflicting information. Firehouse.com has it as Brooklyn with five firefighters injured, two seriously. (Same address as the Post story, different borough) http://www.firehouse.com/topics/top-headlines/2-fdny-ffs-seriously-injured-blaze Edit: The NY 1 story confirms firehouse has it right, NY Post is wrong. Wish I could change the Topic Title. Chris, Jack, Izz, can you help me out?

bvfdjc316, do you get it now? It's a matter of what you say, and where you say it. If you're the Chief IFO the fatal fire building, and you implicate your department with statements that an attorney is going to use against the department in proceedings, THIS court deemed it wrong. They also basically said, if you got off duty, went home and (MY WORDS: typed a post on emtbravo) or "wrote a letter to the editor" of a newspaper, it "might" have changed the character of the speech. "Might" is a big word when you are talking about millions of dollars in liabilities, courts, lawyers, and possible criminal implications at different times, in different settings. So, don't rush to judgement that nobody can post or say anything. Most Chiefs know they are "gagged" in certain settings, but they also know the appropriate places to be able to express what they think; the Chief meets with the town board in executive session and states that staffing is inadequate and the town needs to do something about it. He has done the right thing morally, and upheld his obligation as Chief to protect the municipality, and upheld his obligation to protect the firefighters. Some guys don't realize the consequences of what can happen. Jobs can be decimated by multi million dollar settlements against the department. This could result in layoffs, company closing, etc.

Found a youtube video about this fire. It does not show the Chief speaking about it, but quotes him: This is an older video of Chief Foley describing another fire:

Wasn't that line about putting on a "show" intended to be sarcastic humor? After what he wrote about the proper use of PPE, that's what I took it as....

There are two scheduled AFG 2010 workshops for NY: 3/23/2010 Yapank, 11980-0127 NY NO REGISTRATION REQUIRED Suffolk County Fire Rescue & Emergency Service (FRES), Building 110, in the LIBRARY Yaphank Avenue Contact: Mr. Thomas O'Hara 6318524851 6:30 pm 3/30/2010 Garden City, 11530 NY NO REGISTRATION REQUIRED Francis X. Pendl - Nassau County Firefighters Museum, One Davis Avenue, Contact: John Wolffe or Alana Petrocelli - 5165723864 6:30 pm And seven scheduled for New Jersey: 3/18/2010 East Brunswick, 08816 NJ NO REGISTRATION REQUIRED Old Bridge Fire Company 5 Pine Street - Contact Chief Joseph Kotora 7322571505 7:00 pm 3/19/2010 Branchburg, 08876 NJ NO REGISTRATION REQUIRED Raritan Valley Community College 118 Lamington Road, CONFERENCE CENTER 9085261200 6:00 pm 3/20/2010 Montclair, 07043 NJ NO REGISTRATION REQUIRED Montclair State Uniiversity 1 Normal Avenue, Room 177 - Dickson Hall 973-655-4000 10:00 am 3/22/2010 Parsippany, 07054 NJ NO REGISTRATION REQUIRED Morris County NJ Public Safety Facility 500 West Hanover Avenue ******FOR MAP SEARCHES PLEASE USE****** MORRIS PLAINS, NJ 07950 Contact: Rosemary Gyure - 9738298280 11:00 am 3/25/2010 TO BE ANNOUNCED NJ CENTRAL NEW JERSEY 6:00 pm 3/27/2010 Millville, 08332 NJ NO REGISTRATION REQUIRED Millville Rescue Squad 600 Cedar Street Contact: Central Dispatch (available 24/​7) ext# 522 11:30 am 3/31/2010 Pennsauken, 08109 NJ NO REGISTRATION REQUIRED Pennsauken Fire Company No. 3 (Bloomfield) 5301 Lexington Avenue Contact: Battalion Chief Ben Patti 6093138841 6:30 pm http://www.firegrantsupport.com/content/html/afg/Workshops/Workshops.aspx These are valuable workshops for those departments who might be applying for an AFG the first time. Even if you've applied before, they will give you information about the priorities FEMA is interested in funding in a particular grant fiscal year. Well worth the time to attend imo.

Seven scheduled for Connecticut: 3/29/2010 Windsor Locks CT Connecticut Fire Academy 34 Perimeter Road 1:00 pm 3/29/2010 Bantam CT Bantam Fire Company 92 Doyle Road 7:00 pm 3/30/2010 Wilton CT Wilton Library 137 Old Ridgefield Road 1:00 pm 3/31/2010 New Haven CT New Haven Fire Training Academy 230 Ella T Grasso Boulevard 9:30 am 3/31/2010 Cromwell CT Cromwell Fire Department 105 Coles Road 7:00 pm 4/1/2010 Mashantucket CT Mashantucket Pequot Fire Department 101 Pequot Trail 1:00 pm 4/1/2010 Putnam CT Putnam Fire Department 189 Church Street 7:00 pm Easy decision for me if I was going....

That's a good way of putting it.

Sorry Raz I didn't know that. Hey Tex, You'd better get your Wranglers and flannel shirt out....

Hey Tex, Are you going to be wearing your new Cowboy boots with your Class A?

I saw the term Fallback on the IA for the multi-alarm job on Staten Island yesterday. What happens when you enact Fallback? Tones, radios, roll-call? Thanks in advance.

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I wasn't refering to chief Fitz's comments, sorry for the confusion. I just meant that it's easy for NY guys to see things from only their perspective. After all NY remains THE target for these fanatics; NY has to be as well prepared, if not more so, than anybody in the country. Also, as a homeowner and taxpayer in the State of Maine, I fully support the fire service up there (make donations to my local VFD regularly), am in frequent communication with members of the Bangor Fire Department (they do work on my house), so am aware of the financial and political pressures on some of the FDs. Have a couple of friends in DHS in Portland (one of them is a retired Captain from my job). These guys are true pros.

Awesome pix R1SE, Thanks for updating us!

Good for the Rockland, Maine FD to be so proactive. My compliments. It would be easy, even snobbish for any NY firefighters to dismiss Maine as a State that does not warrant WMD/Haz Mat qualified teams. Does anybody remember what airport a couple of the 9/11 terrorists started their day of mass murder from? You guessed it, Portland, Maine.

Hey Moose, Refer the Captain to this thread if he's taking dumpster fires lightly. Good for you. http://www.emtbravo.net/index.php?showtopic=35072

I heard in one of these classes they strip you naked and make you run out of one of the evolutions with your t-shirt wrapped around your head. It ain't just the Emperor who has no clothes! Edit: I am serious I was told this happened, not a joke....but funny anyway.

The cool crisp air, your spiffy Class A, patent leather shoes, meeting up with brothers from all over, on the train into New York. Must be St. Patrick's Day. We used to have in the old By-Laws of our department that members had to wear their Class A to and from work everyday; but they got to ride on the trolley cars that used to cover the district, for free. Now that must have been a royal pain! But now, the honor goes to you. Maybe the conductor gives you professional courtesy, a throw-back to the trolly days. Grand Central Station still takes your breath away as you pass through and make your way up to the "staging area." Hey, there's Ricky Lynch and the band! This day is such a wonderful celebration of the heritage of the old country, and the values brought through the ages, and proudly carried this day by the brotherhood. What a distinct honor to participate in such a great event! FDNY Westchester Police Washington D.C. Fire Dept. Emerald Society 10 days and counting!

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